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You can.
You just shouldn't tell someone it's their fault for being raped and murdered by terrorists. That's less ok.
Harvard student groups issued anti-Israel statement, CEOs want them blacklisted
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#13I'd like to read the full statement. Of course CNN doesn't link to it or provide the full text. The actions of Hamas are beyond unconscionable, but unconscionable acts by Israel in the past arguably caused the recent terrorist attacks.
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#14I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
It doesn’t take much to reject someone else’s accounting of history. In fact, almost every conflict involves competing histories because they’re an essential part of establishing legitimacy for a cause. People put a lot of effort into developing persuasive ones. Histories can do a better or worse job of relating facts, but they’re never authoritative. Activists will always have their own, as will the authorities that…
This is a great comment.
And not only that, a lot of history involves interpretation of motives, which attempts to boil down rather complex, multi-faceted decisions into one overarching motive which makes it easy to paint historical events in very positive/negative lights.
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Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
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Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
Bill Ackman is a major Democratic donor.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amazing how, given a clear demonstration of right-wing "cancel culture" in action, the immediate response is to invent a purely hypothetical scenario to vilify left-wing "cancel culture." A clear demonstration -- as if one was needed -- that the right's objection to "cancel culture" is that they believe it is a tool only they are allowed to wield.
Bill Ackman is a major Democratic donor.
Non-sequitur
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#18I see stuff like this, and the first place my mind goes isn't to the antisemitism (it really never dies), or student-run organizations saying dumb things (again, not surprising). The first place my mind goes, is... does Harvard not teach history classes?
It doesn’t take much to reject someone else’s accounting of history. In fact, almost every conflict involves competing histories because they’re an essential part of establishing legitimacy for a cause. People put a lot of effort into developing persuasive ones. Histories can do a better or worse job of relating facts, but they’re never authoritative. Activists will always have their own, as will the authorities that…
All histories are a simplification of reality into a digestible and memorable form. It is never the complete story. The further back you go, the more of a caricature historical figures become.
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#19At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-...
> At least one law student got a law firm offer rescinded over their comments – https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/winston-...
This sets such a dangerous precedent, and further emboldens those who contend that the Jewish influence in media and Industry (particularly in entertainment, Law, and Media) is absolute. And was portrayed by a John Stewart, himself a Jew, so poignantly [0] nearly 10 years ago--note how these two conflicts are still ongoing and ask yourself how we got here.
How this nation allows for the condemnation of the injustices of the Vietnam war, Afghanistan or Iraq under the premise of free speech but will not allow for those to oppose the vile acts unleashed by the IDF (an entirely different nations military) alone is why this should be condemned.
Say what you will about them voicing a poorly informed opinion if you must, but it ask yourself: should it lead to offers being revoked and if so what precedent does it set?
I get these are (often) the children of privilege and nepotism is what most have in common, but still, this is appalling: it's similar to what happened in Tokyo University during the student riots back in the late 60s during Vietnam, people are perplexed how they instilled such a conformist mindset in the abhorrent Japanese corporate culture, and blacklisting students was one of the main ways they did it.
I don't have a bias anymore, I was once pro-Palestinian after seeing the IDF use white phosphorus on children in Gaza but after withholding aid and the subsequent bombings during COVID in '21 I think somethings are rooted much deeper in the Human psyche and are beyond help when people are still willing to let people die for claims of the 'Holy Land,' you'd think that after so much death and despair they would have at least agreed to a ceasefire and allowed for aid to enter during a pandemic but were denied and then bombed. Even now I just see this as senseless violence and a waste of Human Life, but just like in Bucha there will be a narrative created about how this was warranted somehow.
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#20I despise this kind of backlash.
Everyone always says "Free speech, but not speech without consequence". But this kind of reactionary consequences are precisely why it's an issue.
You don't actually have free speech, if the consequences of free speech are so great, that it becomes career suicide.
Not allowed to speak against crowd, and all that entails.