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Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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> I'm not sure that the 1A can scale properly for modernity, though. I agree. I think the modern-day challenge is not that one cannot speak freely, but that their voice cannot compete with institution-sponsored propaganda machines --- after all, humans have limited attention. The situation is arguably worse because it suppresses free speech without being appear to suppress it.

> their voice cannot compete with institution-sponsored propaganda machines When has the common person alone ever had the voice to compete with large institutional voices? I think never, except today it’s actually easier for a lone person to get a huge platform without owning a newspaper. Suppose we pass laws allowing the executive branch to limit speech that’s against national security. Who is to say a future govern…

> When has the common person alone ever had the voice to compete with large institutional voices? I think never, except today it’s actually easier for a lone person to get a huge platform without owning a newspaper.

Very good point!

> Suppose we pass laws allowing the executive branch to limit speech that’s against national security.

But I don't think this necessarily follows. In the US, government is always the default bogeyman for "authoritarian overreach", but that is so rarely true anymore. I can't remember the last time the executive branch (or any branch) tried to oppress me or take away my sacredly-held freedoms. It's almost always a big corporation or rich man or another: Meta/Twitter/Musk/etc, or a healthcare company, or some TV personality, or some healthcare/gun/religious fanatic lobby.

Why does "we as a society should decide how and when to regulate speech" necessarily lead to "the opposing party's president is going to censor me"? If anything this is just a call for more direct democracy instead of two-party elitism, no? It's not so much a battlecry against government, but of the co-optation of government by the elites -- which are almost always tied to wealth. What really protects the common person is other common people, who only have power in more democratic traditions, not by weakening democratic governments in favor of uber-rich libertarians and corrupt crony capitalism.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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post #259

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You're comparing apples to floor tiles as though the comparison is relevant in the least. I think that's the issue you and the others are having in these discussions.

Yet I have over 25+ karma in this one thread so maybe people agree with me? Floor tiles and apples can't be compared? They are both are shiny. You can walk on both of them. You can find them both in a kitchen. You can eat one, you can't eat the other. This is besides the point. I've asked before upthread: Tell me the difference between the RIAA/MPAA and the US DOJ. Everyone keeps telling me they are different but the…

You can be wrong with everyone supporting you. Bragging about internet points to prove anything isn't exactly the way to go.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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Tik tok is only a vine clone if Reddit is a Twitter clone. They operate completely differently and had very different starting points.

Comparing Reddit to Twitter is bad. But saying TikTok is a vine Clone like Reddit is a Digg clone is a pretty good analogy though.

Tik tok and vine have and had nothing of substance alike.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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> Singling out TikTok without addressing events like Cambridge Analytica with Facebook They have addressed it, with the single largest FTC fine in history. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/07/...

How is 7% of that one year's revenue meaningful? Facebook could pay that every year and still be extremely lucrative. So, no, it has not been addressed.

This is America, fines are how everything is addressed. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, Facebook, you name it. We don't haul CEOs off to jail in this country.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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Is "Foreign Hostile Government" an official legal distinction? I thought the US was still on good terms with China as a trade partner.

It’s a weird duality with import taxes acting as a middle ground. It seems the belief that a conflict with China is inevitable is becoming more pervasive. So much of the US economy relies on reselling Chinese goods that to stop trading completely would be calamitous. I think the idea is to keep trading right up until the war starts. I’ve already stocked up on goods and materials that are only available from China as…

> It seems the belief that a conflict with China is inevitable is becoming more pervasive.

An actual kinetic conflict would result in a complete destruction of the world economy and WWIII. You can't take these people seriously without carefully examining their motivations (certainly most notably, to build up the capacity of our own military).

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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post #259

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Yet I have over 25+ karma in this one thread so maybe people agree with me? Floor tiles and apples can't be compared? They are both are shiny. You can walk on both of them. You can find them both in a kitchen. You can eat one, you can't eat the other. This is besides the point. I've asked before upthread: Tell me the difference between the RIAA/MPAA and the US DOJ. Everyone keeps telling me they are different but the…

You can be wrong with everyone supporting you. Bragging about internet points to prove anything isn't exactly the way to go.

You can also be wrong with no one supporting you.

Who said I was bragging? It was a statement.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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post #264

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How is 7% of that one year's revenue meaningful? Facebook could pay that every year and still be extremely lucrative. So, no, it has not been addressed.

This is America, fines are how everything is addressed. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, Facebook, you name it. We don't haul CEOs off to jail in this country.

Fines that are too small to change behavior are mostly worthless.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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post #264

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How is 7% of that one year's revenue meaningful? Facebook could pay that every year and still be extremely lucrative. So, no, it has not been addressed.

This is America, fines are how everything is addressed. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, Facebook, you name it. We don't haul CEOs off to jail in this country.

Where's the new laws protecting our data? We do more than just fine.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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I haven't heard a good explanation yet for whether this is even legal. It seems like a textbook example of an unconstitutional bill of attainder. You'd have to ban TikTok based on something it does , and any such law would impact a lot of other companies too. Or I guess you could ban all Chinese software using trade laws, but that has even bigger ramifications.

I have no problem as far as handling it like a trade issue. China doesn't allow such social media networks from the US. I got no problem banning theirs.

Well, I want to keep using TikTok.

The government can go suck eggs.

Re: Lawmakers shift gears on TikTok ban

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post #264

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This is America, fines are how everything is addressed. Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, Facebook, you name it. We don't haul CEOs off to jail in this country.

Where's the new laws protecting our data? We do more than just fine.

Two of the largest American global corporations (Google/FB) would have a much smaller bottom line if there were laws prohibiting the interchange of user data for marketing purposes.

There aren't any laws about that for the same reason that there aren't any laws addressing corporate tax loopholes.

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