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Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by 5kg »

victor106 wrote: post #172
naet wrote: post #155

I'm torn because I have really liked Google offerings in the past (I'm pretty locked in on gmail, I have different things running on GCP already, etc). But I've also been feeling burned a bit by Google suddenly ending services. I had all my domains happily in Google domains until they recently sold it suddenly to Squarespace, who I'm not interested in dealing with. My phone is a Google Pixel and I was using the Googl…

> But I've also been feeling burned a bit by Google suddenly ending services. The products/services that “Google” the search company launches are different than “Google Cloud”. While the discontinuation of Google products is annoying it has nothing to do with Google Cloud products/services. I don’t think Google Cloud abruptly announces discontinuing products/services as they have paid customers. Regarding Google Doma…

> Regarding Google Domains that is a Google product. The equivalent product from Google is “Google Cloud Domains” which is available to Google Cloud customers.

Also sold: https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/faq

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by tazjin »

gregdoesit wrote: post #82
forrestbrazeal wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shared some details about Gmail's migration to Spanner in this year's developer keynote at Google Cloud Next [0] - to my knowledge, the first time that story has been publicly talked about. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268jdNwH6AM

I tried to find it in this video, but failed. Could you please share a time stamp on where to look? It’s a pretty big deal if Gmail migrated to GCP-provided Spanner(not to an internal Spanner instance) and sounds like he kind of vote of confidence GCP and Cloud Spanner could benefit from: might I suggest to write about it? It’s easier to digest and harder to miss than an hour-long keynote video with no time stamps. A…

Gmail is on Spanner, and Cloud Spanner is on Spanner.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by bennyg »

iot_devs wrote: post #233
ljm wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used DynamoDB as part of the job a few years ago and never got single-millisecond responses - it was 20ms minimum and 70+ on a cold-start, but I can accept that optimising Dynamo's various indexes is a largely opaque process. We had to add on hacks like setting the request timeout to 5ms and keeping the cluster warm by submitting a no-op query every 500ms to keep it even remotely stable. We couldn't even use DAX be…

No need to guess when you can measure. I am running https://cloud-canary.com a service where I monitor AWS primary services for latency and availability. It comes with a lot of data. For instance this is the latency I see doing operations against Dynamo. https://cloudcanary.grafana.net/public-dashboards/c53e2092d6...

Nice dash - if you don't mind a drive-by recommendation: I use Grafana for work a lot and it's nice to see a table legend with min, max, mean, and last metrics for these kinds of dashboards. Really makes it easy to grok without hovering over data points and guessing.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by rlpb »

packetslave wrote: post #75
rlpb wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Coders howl over Google's App Engine price hike (natch)" https://www.theregister.com/2011/09/02/google_app_engine_use... I don't know if Google App Engine falls under Google Cloud services, but either way that's just a technicality; the sentiment remains the same. Edit: more information here: https://github.com/stickfigure/blog/wiki/The-Unofficial-Goog...

TWELVE YEARS AGO! find a new complaint.

In my world, most production services need to last longer than twelve years, so need relative pricing stability and no complete pricing restructures over a longer period. Perhaps your world is different.

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Post by falcolas »

vicpara wrote: post #182

Just moved our infra from GCP to AWS. Kubernetes clusters, LB, storage, lambdas, KMS and all of it. Google runs their tech stack as if it's a startup that builds their CV. Everything is immature, tons of hacks, undocumented features. If you are on their k8s there are tons of upcoming new versions and features that force you to revisit key hacks you put in your infra because of their misgivings. Our infra team keeps t…

We have an old "quiet part out loud" corporate story. It's about how one arm of Google using our service and wondering why it had so much downtime, only for us to point at their GAE arm and say "when they're down, we're down". They went and talked to GAE and - funny enough - were able to correlate the downtime they observed with GAE downtime.

GAE uptime improved, for a little while. Yeah, we're on AWS now too.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by mardifoufs »

vicpara wrote: post #182

Just moved our infra from GCP to AWS. Kubernetes clusters, LB, storage, lambdas, KMS and all of it. Google runs their tech stack as if it's a startup that builds their CV. Everything is immature, tons of hacks, undocumented features. If you are on their k8s there are tons of upcoming new versions and features that force you to revisit key hacks you put in your infra because of their misgivings. Our infra team keeps t…

I don't know. I like GCP. I have been in an Azure centric corporation for close to two years now and I dearly miss GCP almost every day.

My team has a sort of a sandbox where we can use almost any Azure product we want (our IT is supportive and permissive as far as that sandbox goes, which is a blessing), but even then it's just painful in comparison.

AWS is probably better though.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by dminor »

victor106 wrote: post #172
naet wrote: post #155

I'm torn because I have really liked Google offerings in the past (I'm pretty locked in on gmail, I have different things running on GCP already, etc). But I've also been feeling burned a bit by Google suddenly ending services. I had all my domains happily in Google domains until they recently sold it suddenly to Squarespace, who I'm not interested in dealing with. My phone is a Google Pixel and I was using the Googl…

> But I've also been feeling burned a bit by Google suddenly ending services. The products/services that “Google” the search company launches are different than “Google Cloud”. While the discontinuation of Google products is annoying it has nothing to do with Google Cloud products/services. I don’t think Google Cloud abruptly announces discontinuing products/services as they have paid customers. Regarding Google Doma…

The domains from Google Cloud Domains are also going to squarespace

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by dragonwriter »

xnx wrote: post #51
callalex wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before they offered Google cloud, they offered Google App Engine. After they introduced Google Cloud they got bored of App Engine and 10x’d the price. This was particularly painful because App Engine was a batteries-included solution with heavy vendor lock-in.

Good history lesson. I didn't realize that Google Cloud wasn't a rename/expansion of Google App Engine.

But, Google Cloud was a rename/expansion (specifically, expansion) of Google App Engine (GAE a pre-existing Google products that was then part of Google Cloud when the latter brand was launched.)

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Post by jjtheblunt »

dastbe wrote: post #235
jjtheblunt wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At Amazon, practically every service is built on top of AWS is that true finally? It sure wasn't in the 2020-2021 timeframe.

it does depend on what you mean. By 2020/2021, effectively everything was on top of AWS VMs/VPC and perhaps LBs at that point? Most if not all new services were being built in NAWS.

SPS was heavily MAWS and I got sick of being the NAWS person from years prior pushing for NAWS in our dysfunctional team, and quit. The good coworkers also quit.

Yet I still see the very deep stack of technically incapable middle manager sorts dutifully posting "come join us" nonsense on LinkedIn.

(I had the luxury of having worked in one of the inner sanctums of Apple hardware for years prior, so was immune to nonsense, and didn't need the job.)

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