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Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by jjtheblunt »

gregdoesit wrote: post #71

“ According to the Amazon Prime Day blog post, DynamoDB processes 126 million queries per second at peak. Spanner on the other hand processes 3 billion queries per second at peak, which is more than 20x higher, and has more than 12 exabytes of data under management.” This comparison seems to be not exactly fair? Amazon’s 126 million queries per second was purely for Amazon-related services serving Prime Day generatin…

> At Amazon, practically every service is built on top of AWS

is that true finally? It sure wasn't in the 2020-2021 timeframe.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by iends »

meowtimemania wrote: post #124
benmanns wrote: post #10

I wish I could play around with Spanner for personal/side projects, but a production ready instance starts at $65/mo. DynamoDB can run for ~$0.00/month with per-request pricing.

This is the main reason I like DynamoDB. I can run side projects indefinitely for basically $0/month.

Same as with lambda. I have a side project that costs $0.42/mo to run.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by sharpy »

g9yuayon wrote: post #185
gregdoesit wrote: post #71

“ According to the Amazon Prime Day blog post, DynamoDB processes 126 million queries per second at peak. Spanner on the other hand processes 3 billion queries per second at peak, which is more than 20x higher, and has more than 12 exabytes of data under management.” This comparison seems to be not exactly fair? Amazon’s 126 million queries per second was purely for Amazon-related services serving Prime Day generatin…

> At Amazon, practically every service is built on top of AWS - a proper vote of confidence! Not only this, but practically most, if not all, of the AWS services use DynamoDB, including use cases that are usually not for databases, such as multi-tenant job queues (just search "Database as a Queue" to get the sentiment). In fact, it is really really hard to use any relational DB in AWS. I mean, a team would have to go…

When I was at AWS, towards later part of my tenure, DynamoDB was mandated for control plane. To be fair, it worked, and worked well, but there were times when I wished I could use something else instead.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by vismwasm »

vicpara wrote: post #182

Just moved our infra from GCP to AWS. Kubernetes clusters, LB, storage, lambdas, KMS and all of it. Google runs their tech stack as if it's a startup that builds their CV. Everything is immature, tons of hacks, undocumented features. If you are on their k8s there are tons of upcoming new versions and features that force you to revisit key hacks you put in your infra because of their misgivings. Our infra team keeps t…

I generally like GCP, however their sales and customer support just aren't any good. And some services like Vertex AI are extremely buggy while it's hard to actually report these bugs.

I think Google Cloud needs someone like Jeff Bezos as their head: Look what your customers actually want and need and understand their requirements. And they usually want good customer support and want a competent key account manager as well.

When we were looking to migrate our analytics database from on-premise to a cloud alternative we were looking at BigQuery and Snowflake. BigQuery is a great product and we were already deeply invested in GCP as well. However the GCP sales team just couldn't sell BigQuery - they just don't know what old corporations want to hear in a sales pitch. So we went with Snowflake in the end. Not because it's the better product but because their sales team is better.

I'm not sure if the cloud business is actually a priority at Google. If it is then I think they don't understand the mistrust Google is facing when it comes to stable long term support of their products.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by kubb »

g9yuayon wrote: post #187
vicpara wrote: post #182

Just moved our infra from GCP to AWS. Kubernetes clusters, LB, storage, lambdas, KMS and all of it. Google runs their tech stack as if it's a startup that builds their CV. Everything is immature, tons of hacks, undocumented features. If you are on their k8s there are tons of upcoming new versions and features that force you to revisit key hacks you put in your infra because of their misgivings. Our infra team keeps t…

> AWS support is so nice, you can't believe it. This reminds me of the fond days of having weekly customers calls. We develop AWS services, and we answer our customer-support calls directly. No middle man. Just techies to techies. And we made promises to customers on the fly, and customers sometimes project managed us.

Sounds like hell...

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by GabeWeiss_ »

brunoborges wrote: post #102
gregdoesit wrote: post #71

“ According to the Amazon Prime Day blog post, DynamoDB processes 126 million queries per second at peak. Spanner on the other hand processes 3 billion queries per second at peak, which is more than 20x higher, and has more than 12 exabytes of data under management.” This comparison seems to be not exactly fair? Amazon’s 126 million queries per second was purely for Amazon-related services serving Prime Day generatin…

> What would have perhaps been a more fair comparison is to share the peak load that Google services running on GCP generated on Spanner, and not the sum of their cloud platform. Not necessarily about volume of transactions, but this is similar to one of my pet-peeves with statements that use aggregated numbers of compute power. "Our system has great performance, dealing 5 billion requests per second" means nothing i…

True, but one would hope that both sides in this case would be putting their best foot forward. Getting peak performance out of right sizing your DB is part of that discussion. I can't imagine AWS would put down "126 million QPS" if they COULD have provided a larger instance that could deliver "200 million QPS", right? We have to assume at some point that both sides are putting their best foot forward given the service.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by vxNsr »

forrestbrazeal wrote: post #79
gregdoesit wrote: post #71

“ According to the Amazon Prime Day blog post, DynamoDB processes 126 million queries per second at peak. Spanner on the other hand processes 3 billion queries per second at peak, which is more than 20x higher, and has more than 12 exabytes of data under management.” This comparison seems to be not exactly fair? Amazon’s 126 million queries per second was purely for Amazon-related services serving Prime Day generatin…

We shared some details about Gmail's migration to Spanner in this year's developer keynote at Google Cloud Next [0] - to my knowledge, the first time that story has been publicly talked about. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268jdNwH6AM

Somehow I thought you were at Amazon/AWS because of how much you push it in your book. Cool to see you’re at GCP.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by smueller1234 »

hintymad wrote: post #177

Does Google Cloud Spanner use the Spanner database per the 2013 paper? Or does Google simply use the brand and implement a cheaper and more performant db under the hood? I suspect it is the latter because most companies do not need global consistency anyway, so it may make sense to relax parts of what Spanner was originally built for.

Yes, it's the same Spanner that's used internally. But obviously it's progressed hugely since 2013.

Re: Google Cloud Spanner is now half the cost of Amazon DynamoDB

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Post by supportengineer »

nameless912 wrote: post #15

And for many projects, Postgres is still cheaper than both. Having used both, I would much, much rather do the work to fit my project in Postgres/CockroachDB than use either Spanner or DynamoDB, which have WAY more footguns. Not to mention sudden cost spikes, vendor lock in, and god knows what else. AWS and GCP (and Azure, and Oracle cloud, and bare Kubernetes via an operator, and...) support Postgres really well. Ju…

Is there any company that hosts Postgres in the cloud (and does nothing else) and has great customer service?
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