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> At what point are we just gonna admit that we've built a crap world and we oughta have an honest conversation about fixing it? When we start admitting the problem is fundamental to human nature, meaning we start pointing the finger at ourselves instead of only at other people. Until then, this cycle will only continue.
It is not fundamental to human nature to be in unfathomable amounts of debt.
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That doesn't seem to be accurate, do you have a source? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016517812... shows in 3.3 that not only is the veterinarian rate more than 2x that of physicians, but the upper end of the 95% CI for physicians is below the lower end of the 95% CI for veterinarians. It doesn't appear to be anywhere close.
This study is about Austria and includes data going pretty far back. That being said I can’t find conclusive data elsewhere. Most research doesn’t narrow down to jobs neatly. I’ve found number suggesting suicide rates of 200-400% that of the general pop which is in the same ballpark above and blow. So ymmv.
We can talk about other negative aspects of being a vet, but the primary factor is that they know how: > But that reality of the job can also colour the way veterinarians view human lives – including their own – and for those already experiencing suicidal ideation, it can provide a simple justification: death is preferable to suffering. In a 2021 survey by pharmaceutical company Merck, 12.5% of the veterinarians surv…
I was lucky enough to own a house next to the vet clinic that ended up being my first dogs final veterinarian. Her sickness was very gradual; a boil grew on her neck and started aspirating blood, she became anemic, and somewhat lethargic. I supplemented her diet as the vet walked me through everything I could possibly do and was willing to afford. She gave me her number to text when weird things happened with the cav…
Same as my cat. We were trying to force feed her and eventually she couldn't breathe when she choked on her food.
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The absolute amount of money is irrelevant, it matters what percentage of a person's disposable income it is. $10k is nothing if you making half a million dollars a year and have $200k in credit with no balance, because your disposable income is probably $400-450k/yr. $200 is a ruinous amount of money if you make minimum wage and take the bus to work because your disposable income is very likely negative.
Yeah, well if someone can't swing $200 they probably shouldn't own a pet.
Sorry to be so harsh about it, but your comment lacks basic empathy so I figured I'd give you a little dose of same.
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I think one of the worst things about society right now is we don’t share the burden amongst ourselves. The dirty work so to speak is delegated to specialists and our hands stay completely clean. I’m not saying pet owners should euthanize their animals but staying there in the room while the vet did their work probably helped, and the article mentions that owners leaving is part of the problem.
One of my favorite cats has a bad tumor and a 3 month expected life span. I found out a few days ago. I’m shattered and the thought of having to be in the room or not is just super depressing. I’ve never lost a pet before or even someone very close to me. I’m scared for how bad it’s going to hurt Part of me (most of me) wants to be there to feel the pain in the deepest way and not bitch out. To be there for the last…
I have had a cat die unexpectedly (heart failure) and she was in the car on the way to the vet when she died. She held on in the back seat until I was able to pull over and be with her. She was looking for me. You owe it to be there.
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I remember reading about how "sticking your head in an oven" was a legitimate suicide method when using coal gas ovens. When people switched to natural gas/electric, the suicide rate dropped drastically: >The switch from coal gas to natural gas also had one unexpected effect. During the ‘50s and ‘60s, about half of the suicides in Britain were by coal gas. By the ‘70s, when the transition to natural gas was complete,…
For those unfamiliar with Dorothy Parker[0] and/or that punchline, here's the poem, Resumé, that it's from[1]: Resumé By Dorothy Parker Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren’t lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Parker [1] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d22415...
I hope I never have to use it. my buddy came home to his dog having his back legs paralyzed. No idea what happened. Did he jump off the bed or get hurt playing with the other dogs? Anyway, surgery was going to be 20K with a 90% chance of the dog walking again OR he can take steroids' and nerve medicine and hopefully regain the ability to walk within 10 weeks OR put the dog down. He couldn't afford the surgery so they went the medicine route. Luckily the dog can wiggle his toes right now at the 2 week mark, we will have to wait to see if he can walk.
Point being... if he had pet insurance the entire thing would have been $2250, a no brainer in my book so putting the dog down is off the table. At that point you just have to decide whether you want to do the operation or do a round of medicine. you have a lot better opinions.
Paying for insurance sucks... You pay every month and you might use it a couple of times in your life, but when you do need to use it, you are so glad that it is there.
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You admit not having experience with a certain field and then laugh at the terminology they commonly use? Your comment is unhelpful and barely related to the article. Then you get mad at a group for presumably downvoting your irrelevant comment? Also, I don't feel like "empathizing with animals" is a huge insight that you've cracked. Most people do it.
Yes, genuine people who aren't playing social games laugh spontaneously , they don't contact the moral police to determine whether they can laugh or not. Other people who are more prone to going with the herd will wait to see what other people are doing and then determine whether they should laugh or not. You actually can see this in real time watching stand up comedians - for certain jokes the majority of the crowd…
A post must be flagged separately from downvoting to become dead. It might look like heavily downvoted posts get killed automatically, but those are just correlated events. A post that attracts a lot of downvoting is also more likely to attract flagging. A post that is already in the most-downvoted-possible state (-5, I think) can get more downvotes but those just won't do anything at that point.
I have not flagged or downvoted your posts. I just want to clarify this point of HN comment logic.
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For those unfamiliar with Dorothy Parker[0] and/or that punchline, here's the poem, Resumé, that it's from[1]: Resumé By Dorothy Parker Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren’t lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Parker [1] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44835/resume-56d22415...
Dark comedic thought: if a prerequisite to suicide is to get your affairs in order and leave behind a clean house, suicide would be very low; ugh, too lazy to clean. I'll just live instead.
But I'd be too busy on working days
So I am relieved that the turbulence wasn't forecasted
I couldn't have changed anyways
I am relieved that I'd left my room tidy
Goodbye
We can talk about other negative aspects of being a vet, but the primary factor is that they know how: > But that reality of the job can also colour the way veterinarians view human lives – including their own – and for those already experiencing suicidal ideation, it can provide a simple justification: death is preferable to suffering. In a 2021 survey by pharmaceutical company Merck, 12.5% of the veterinarians surv…
> What often stops otherwise suicidal folks is that it's not an easy thing to do Is the take away from this that if all people knew how to kill themselves efficiently, the suicide rates in general population would be as high as they are among vets? It's pretty grim to think that the only thing that's stopping many people from killings themselves is that they don't know how...