I think it's absolutely crazy that our society is OK with car drivers polluting the air with carcinogenic particles. I hope more cities around the world implement similar bans soon.
Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
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Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#22It's a tiny part of the center of Stockholm. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-diese... has a map. Roughly 4x4 blocks.
It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter.
This way makes it safe to feel the waters, tweak public transports, get people's reaction, without killing it in the cradle.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see they went with the "think of the children": > The study found that children who grow up on roads in the capital with particularly high emissions have worse-than-average lung capacity when compared to other children, from as early as six months old. This will only accelerate the move to the suburbs of the families having children themselves and who can't yet afford an EV, leaving the cities themselves (as I susp…
Generally people with children dont live in the center of Stockholm and a high % already drive electric. Biggest change is that delivery/transport services have to find alternatives and Im really happy about that, everyone benifit from removing "heavy loud polluting traffic" in the city.
> Generally people with children dont live in the center of Stockholm and a high % already drive electri
So I guess the process was already under way, as it already is too expensive to have a typical Western life in downtown-ish Stockholm. I fail to see how moves like this one would help with those expenses.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#24Sounds like they need the London treatment.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#25It's a tiny part of the center of Stockholm. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/bensin-och-diese... has a map. Roughly 4x4 blocks.
It can grow. A few cities started car-free or car polution limiting zones. Every year,the zone grows and the rules get stricter. This way makes it safe to feel the waters, tweak public transports, get people's reaction, without killing it in the cradle.
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> How does Western life experience necessitate a car? First of all, taking your kids by car to a much better school. Because we sure as hell cannot afford to own property close to those better schools.
Have you ever heard of school bus?
Yeah, saw them in American movies. I've also heard about the "busing kids in" policy that didn't work, also from the States.
Try to put your 10-year old kid on public transport half-away across the city in any big European city, especially after the sun is out in the winter.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#27Maybe focus on building out a competent public transport system first, rather than halving the capacity of the commuter rail. Or fix the several islands (both literal and metaphorical) that are effectively cut off from the main system. It's like these people live in a parallel reality where nobody needs to get in our out of the inner city.
In my experience, the public transport system in Stockholm is pretty fine, is there a specific qualm you have with it? You don't have to be able to drive your car directly into the heart of the city.
"Pretty fine"? More like world class considering it's a city of just ~2m.
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How does Western life experience necessitate a car? Big cities don’t require a car at all.
> How does Western life experience necessitate a car? First of all, taking your kids by car to a much better school. Because we sure as hell cannot afford to own property close to those better schools.
You have obviously not been to Stockholm during morning rush. Stockholm have an extensive subway, as well as buses. Or just using the (often quite wide) sidewalks to walk. The amount of kids moving around (themselves) to get to their schools is almost overwhelming.
Oh, and the best schools are really in the downtown area. Which is why children, kids, teenagers use the public transport from all around the metro area by themselves to get to the schools.
And since you comment further below about winter - yes, of course the kids move around like this in the winter too.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does Western life experience necessitate a car? Big cities don’t require a car at all.
> How does Western life experience necessitate a car? First of all, taking your kids by car to a much better school. Because we sure as hell cannot afford to own property close to those better schools.
Most kids know how to use the public transportation, and being ouside is safe enough to let your kids outside without needing to be with them.
Also, some European countries do a really high effort to make their public schools so good that rich people study in the public centres.
Re: Stockholm to ban petrol and diesel cars from centre from 2025
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you ever heard of school bus?
Yeah, saw them in American movies. I've also heard about the "busing kids in" policy that didn't work, also from the States. Try to put your 10-year old kid on public transport half-away across the city in any big European city, especially after the sun is out in the winter.
You mean like basically all kids in Munich do, just as an example? Regarding this "better school" thing, that seems to be an almost exclusive US problem.