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RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

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Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

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> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Not sure I understand how this applies to networking?

I saw some forcepoint contraption forcing a MITM proxy to all http traffic by injecting a DLL in each process.

With sufficient manpower and infosec mandate, it got implemented just fine. But its incomplete buggy win32 API emulation landed on random applications, crashing them, and automatic updates and https got disabled left and right because the MITM flying over the heads of applications validating their certs

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

#12

Every old idea will be proposed again with a different name and a different presentation, regardless of whether it works. I'm old enough to have lived through this multiple times now :-(

Not really relevant to networking, but I firmly believe hash tables (and hashing) had a concrete starting point within recorded history, which appears to be January 1953.

Fascinating! I delved into Knuth's "TAOCP Volume 3", specifically the Hashing section, and indeed:

> The idea of hashing appears to have been originated by H. P. Luhn, who wrote an internal IBM memorandum in January 1953 that suggested the use of chaining; in fact, his suggestion was one of the first applications of linked linear lists.

Unfortunately, I couldn't locate the memo. It seems they never made it public. However, I stumbled upon a nice paper from 1953 in which he discusses enhancing search engines by refining sets - http://jonathanstray.com/papers/Luhn-SearchEngine-1953.pdf

Knuth also references Arnold I. Dumey, who appears to be the first to describe hash tables in open literature. I was able to retrieve his paper: https://archive.org/details/sim_computers-and-people_1956-12.... Dumey initiates with an O(log n) solution using the "twenty questions" game, subsequently explaining how we'd be better off if we could do computation before we access the memory. I found his introduction to the hash function rather intriguing:

> A certain manufacturing company had a parts and assemblies list of many thousands of items. A mixed digital and alphabetic system of numbering items was used, of six positions in all. Eight complex machines or assemblies were sold to the public. These had item numbers taken from the general system. In setting up a punch card control system on these eight items it was first proposed to record the entire six digit number for each item. However, examination of the eight assembly numbers disclosed that no two were alike on the fourth digit. It was therefore sufficient, for sorting purposes, merely to record the fourth digit, thereby releasing five badly needed information spaces for other purposes.

> This rather extreme case indicates that an examination of the item description may disclose a built-in redunancy which can be used to cut the field down to practical size.

He further discusses handling duplicates and introduces chaining:

> Adjust the addressing scheme, according to a method which will be described later, to reduce the number of direct addresses, and use the excess locations to store overflows. Put the overflow address at the tail end of stored item information. What the best reduction is varies from case to case. Note that the expectation of the number of accesses to be made goes up when these methods are used. At each access we check by using the complete item description, usually.

And discusses how a somewhat efficient hash address can be constructed by diving a prime number and using the remainder:

> Consider the item description as though it were a number in the scale of 37 or whatever. Or write it as a binary number by using the appropriate punched tape coding. Divide this number by a number slightly less than the number of addressable locations (the writer prefers the nearest prime). Throw away the quotient. Use the remainder as the address, adjusting to base 10, as the case may be.

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

#13

> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Not sure I understand how this applies to networking?

FWIW similar statements have been made regarding the F-4 Phantom fighter jet.

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

#14

> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Not sure I understand how this applies to networking?

You can build systems of unbounded complexity that are functionally correct but are inelegant.

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

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post #5

Every old idea will be proposed again with a different name and a different presentation, regardless of whether it works. I'm old enough to have lived through this multiple times now :-(

What is there to be sad about retrying ideas? Maybe the reason they failed the first time is no longer true.

Indeed. Maybe.

When people turn up at the IETF and want to repeat a bad idea, that's the kind of thing they say. They say "the reasons why foo was bad don't necessarily apply to bar" while waving their hands. They try try to make it sound as if the reasons actually don't apply, usually without having much idea about what the reasons were.

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

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post #5

Every old idea will be proposed again with a different name and a different presentation, regardless of whether it works. I'm old enough to have lived through this multiple times now :-(

What is there to be sad about retrying ideas? Maybe the reason they failed the first time is no longer true.

I think the parent comments indicate s/he experience something bad twice.

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

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post #8

> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Not sure I understand how this applies to networking?

If you try, you'll very likely succeed. You probably shouldn't, though.

“They were so busy trying to figure out if they could, they forgot to ask themselves if they should

Re: RFC 1925: The Twelve Networking Truths (1996)

#20

> With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead. Not sure I understand how this applies to networking?

Applying significant force or effort to achieve a narrow definition of success will have unhappy consequences. Understand the entire system before rushing toward a solution.
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