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Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Still stuck with using Windows to be able to play any latest AAA game.

Which ones? Proton via Steam (and even outside of Steam) is doing a fantastic job of most recent games. I don't run Windows at all anymore, and gaming is the primary usage of my desktop.

I should give it a try. However, I referred more about native builds.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Of course a subscription would imply no upfront fee.

They're (presumably) double-dipping, the PC OEMs are already paying for the license.

In that case even $1/year would be unreasonable.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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It just requires an app on Mac versus windows key + arrow to move windows around. It's a non-issue.

Requiring an app is a blocking issue.

I usually get away just fine with Control+Command+f to fullscreen the window, and Control+Up will open up Mission Control so that I can get two fullscreened windows side-by-side. It's all built into macOS.

Windows 11 adds snap layouts, for which there is currently no analog, but this will let you do the side-by-side thing from earlier versions of Windows as long as you can tolerate the fullscreened windows becoming their own Space. (I actually find this preferable myself, but YMMV.)

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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> Approach software as a set of tools, with the expectation that you must learn and master its use, but then you will be functional and productive for a long time. This does not scale to end users.

It seems to work with word processors, spreadsheets, image and video editors, CAD, animation, probably more. Software people use to accomplish a task.

The first 2, LOL. People just click some buttons and frequently create abominations with them. They in no way, shape or form, "master them".

Image editors and the like are pro tools, not mass market tools. You either use them well or you don't have a job.

If you're wondering why word processors and spreadsheets don't count is that for most jobs you just use them incidentally, it's not your day job. And there is a very small minority that masters them, but it's just that, a minority.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Requiring an app is a blocking issue.

I usually get away just fine with Control+Command+f to fullscreen the window, and Control+Up will open up Mission Control so that I can get two fullscreened windows side-by-side. It's all built into macOS. Windows 11 adds snap layouts, for which there is currently no analog, but this will let you do the side-by-side thing from earlier versions of Windows as long as you can tolerate the fullscreened windows becoming t…

The insistence that window be the only thing I need to be looking at on MacOS is also a frustrating one. No, Steve, I really do want to manage my windows.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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I'm surprised some enterprising hackers haven't hacked the binaries to nuke telemetry permanently (one used to see lots of Win hacks in the past). But then, perhaps I've not been looking hard enough (I mostly use Penguin).

I think some enterprising hackers have long ago switched to a less hostile OS.

Reckon that's true (I mostly use Linux). Trouble is, Windows has such wide usage and large legacy that one often can't avoid it (some important commercial/industrial software just won't work under, say, Wine no matter how much tweaking and unfortunately there's no Linux version).

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

#209

If Microsoft does, I am not using Windows 12, I am going to Ubuntu. I won't even pirate it. I refuse to pay a subscription for an OS, that should be pay once and be done paying.

I'd advise Debian over Ubuntu because Ubuntu is lately also similar forced bs by forcing snaps.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Usd 10/year is entirely reasonable. But I fear an higher fee.

$1/year is entirely unreasonable. They build a product, they sell it to you, transaction ends there. They should sell you a product that works. Bug fixes are part of making the thing you bought closer to what was advertised, so it's part of the initial purchase. An OS is not a SaaS, and nobody considered doing it until it became popular, because it's a fad.

>Bug fixes are part of making the thing you bought closer to what was advertised, so it's part of the initial purchase

Says who, exactly?

Why should bug fixes be included?

If they should, for how long should they?

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