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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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During COVID I reported a bajillion eBay sellers for selling masks above MSRP, they did nothing.

Demand is the signal to create more supply. Anti price gouging disincentivises more production.

Creating more supply is hard. Jacking up the price is easier. Sure, someone will see the opportunity and undercut your inflated price, but you will have made your money by then and there will be a lot of collateral damage in the interim.

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Demand is the signal to create more supply. Anti price gouging disincentivises more production.

Creating more supply is hard. Jacking up the price is easier. Sure, someone will see the opportunity and undercut your inflated price, but you will have made your money by then and there will be a lot of collateral damage in the interim.

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Demand is the signal to create more supply. Anti price gouging disincentivises more production.

Creating more supply is hard. Jacking up the price is easier. Sure, someone will see the opportunity and undercut your inflated price, but you will have made your money by then and there will be a lot of collateral damage in the interim.

In what way does a higher equilibrium price cause collateral damage? Can you explain what collateral damage you're envisioning?

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Mufflers do not impact emissions. In the case of gasoline cars, there are mechanisms for controlling intake air, recirculating exhaust gas, and filtering emissions directly out of the exhaust gases. All of these impact carbon emissions. These defeat devices allow drivers to modify some or all of these attributes in favor of gaining engine performance.

Muffler delete is a known cause of misfires. It manifests as a popping sound surrounded by the other shitty sounds produced by such a modified exhaust. We have all heard it. A misfire is raw fuel being expelled.

That’s a backfire, not a misfire.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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That DEF is insanely toxic, too. I rented a diesel truck for moving and everyone got passing-out sick just moving things in and out of the back of it.

Urea? It's used on foodcrops and you pee out 20-35g/day of it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9161740/ It has a boiling point of 135C. Something else was (I gotta say it, likely) causing your sickness.

There’s a reason you pee it out.

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Does this include chip tunes?

Yes, a popular diesel tuner was the target a take down and fined big money for providing tunes that make vehicles non-compliant. https://www.thedrive.com/news/another-diesel-tuner-nailed-wi... Omitting wear and reliability concerns, some tunes gain their effect by not controlling for things like NoX and unburned hydrocarbons. The worst offenders? "Coal rolling". It would be one thing to do this to help spool a turbo…

There are few things as obnoxious and antisocial as coal rolling (open headers, maybe) and I really wish the EPA would make an example out of them.

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My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

I would fully suspect people to be fined for producing enhanced emissions reduction hardware and offering it for sale. The default emissions systems end up reducing the life of the engine, creating another problem for the environment, and there are opportunities for fixing those deficiencies.

0W20 oil and EGR systems are going to go down in history as environmental disasters.

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Not everyone lives in California so while OEM's might produce all cars to meet California standards, it is completely legal in states with more relaxed laws to make such modifications. At the least I think the government could argue about selling in jurisdictions where it is illegal.

To tap into this thread - this is quite real. One can just remove a catalytic converter (or have it stolen) and they'd then be "defeating emissions" so this lawsuit seems a bit zealous to me. Recently saw a post on a diesel truck forum about a CA resident who had legal/registration issues because of an engine swap (post emissions engine into a pre-emissions vehicle) [1] Am under the impression this particular vehicle…

for the non c02 pollutants it makes a ton of sense to go after consumer vehicles more than private jets. noise, N0x, and other pollutants have significant negative effects for anyone nearby. I care a lot more about the vehicles 20 ft from me than the ones 30k feet above me
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