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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

You could try phoning the police about the issie. Be sure to record the call log.

Then, review your town's ordinances and see if there's anything about passenger vehicles requiring properly maintained and baffled exhaust system.

Then, write to your city coun, mayor, and police chief (all in one email) asking why this ordinance isn't enforced? Can it be struck from the ordinances if it will never be enforced?

Finally, ask them whether or not citizens should be able to enforce the code or ordinances amid willful police negligence to do so? If not, why not? If not, csn they add "City X does not issue tickets to noisy vehicles" to their marketing material.

Ask if you have fewer rights than someone who knowingly bought or modified a vehicle to disturb tens or hundreds of people all around them at any given moment during the day without recourse?

Ask them to provide at least two good points on why a passenger vehicle should be allowed to have a noisy exhaust system.

If they can't provide a solid solution, then ask them all to step down.

(I'm on your side, btw. Not sure if that was clear from my post.)

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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No, cars should not be on the road.

Roads were built for cars.

That's not actually the case in many places in the US, they were forcibly taken for cars in the same way electric streetcar systems were taken from us:

> Before the American city could be physically reconstructed to accommodate automobiles, its streets had to be socially reconstructed as places where cars belong [..] Until then, streets were regarded as public spaces, where practices that endangered or obstructed others (including pedestrians) were disreputable. Motorists’ claim to street space was therefore fragile, subject to restrictions that threatened to negate the advantages of car ownership.

https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262516129/fighting-traffic/

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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> You can't sell an uncertified radio transmitter. It's not a conspiracy. When they pick and choose who they target for RF and somehow end up focusing on a Chinese cellphone manufacturer, it suggests something is going on beyond RF reasons.

No, it signals that that manufacturer didn’t follow the established process for certification. What evidence is there that anyone is picking and choosing?

The sheer amount of other cellular devices I can find on ebay in 2 seconds that clearly don't have any certification.

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=gsm+gps+tracke...

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?&_nkw=cell+phone+booster

I'm sure I can find wifi access points and other cell phones that aren't certified, but I'm too lazy to check against what vendors' models bothered getting Canadian approval or not.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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My experience is that eBay screws up their filters and wayyy overfilters. The Canadian government has some secret spat with Xiaomi cellphones and got eBay, newegg and Amazon to stop their sale. They weren’t approved for sale in Canada, but I suspect some other reasoning for targeting a Chinese manufacturer in particular and not all the other unapproved products. However, eBay just blocked anything with “xiaomi” in th…

During COVID I reported a bajillion eBay sellers for selling masks above MSRP, they did nothing.

Demand is the signal to create more supply. Anti price gouging disincentivises more production.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roads were built for cars.

That's not actually the case in many places in the US, they were forcibly taken for cars in the same way electric streetcar systems were taken from us: > Before the American city could be physically reconstructed to accommodate automobiles, its streets had to be socially reconstructed as places where cars belong [..] Until then, streets were regarded as public spaces, where practices that endangered or obstructed oth…

Coming up with a fact that roads existed in the ancient times is not a gotcha. Most of the roads today did not exist back then. 99% of the roads I have driven on did not exist before cars.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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My experience is that eBay screws up their filters and wayyy overfilters. The Canadian government has some secret spat with Xiaomi cellphones and got eBay, newegg and Amazon to stop their sale. They weren’t approved for sale in Canada, but I suspect some other reasoning for targeting a Chinese manufacturer in particular and not all the other unapproved products. However, eBay just blocked anything with “xiaomi” in th…

eBay posts are littered with typos, though. How well does eBay do at filtering out Xaiomi, Xoiami or Xiaoim phones?

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Verify their distributors are doing some sort of due diligence? Doesn’t seem that hard to make some sort of reasonable effort.

Is the rule really about "track use" or is it just off-road or on-private-property use? How does the distributor know I'm not just rolling coal on my uncle's farm?

From what I can find, "track use" isn't in the law, but rather a matter of enforcement discretion.

"The Clean Air Act does not contemplate removing emissions controls from an EPA-certified motor vehicle in order to convert it into a competition vehicle. As a matter of enforcement discretion, the EPA’s longstanding practice has been not to take enforcement action against vehicle owners for removing or defeating the emission controls of their EPA-certified motor vehicles, so long as they can show the vehicles are used solely for competition events and no longer driven on public roads."

https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a36482793/sema-e...

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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In the case of the DEF it absolutely reduces the lifespan of the engine. A truck engine that could last 500K miles lasts 200K max. Factor a second or third engine (whole new truck) and the energy and pollution to produce it and DEF looks not as great. Vehicles and engines that last 25 years are easy to build yet they are rare outside of commerical and military. The whole argument is disengenuous and proceeds from an…

Commercial fleet and military engines do not 'last' 25 years. They have a consistent maintenance schedule to fix and replace common wear parts. You have to think of it much more like the Ship of Theseus and not the same vehicle. My last two vehicles lasted over 250k each, well, one is still going, I just don't own it any more. I feel the engine on the Toyota thats still running may last forever. It's replacing other…

That dead Corolla will probably get re-built in a developing country (after the cat gets harvested for its minerals of course).

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of the DEF it absolutely reduces the lifespan of the engine. A truck engine that could last 500K miles lasts 200K max. Factor a second or third engine (whole new truck) and the energy and pollution to produce it and DEF looks not as great. Vehicles and engines that last 25 years are easy to build yet they are rare outside of commerical and military. The whole argument is disengenuous and proceeds from an…

That DEF is insanely toxic, too. I rented a diesel truck for moving and everyone got passing-out sick just moving things in and out of the back of it.

Urea? It's used on foodcrops and you pee out 20-35g/day of it:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9161740/

It has a boiling point of 135C. Something else was (I gotta say it, likely) causing your sickness.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#350

I am very annoyed by the decision of the EPA to start cracking down, because it's made it impossible to import parts for my track/race cars, even though it's completely legal to do so. Like many things, the market for enthusiasts supported availability and reasonable pricing for the more hardcore enthusiasts.

From TFA: “The DOJ’s suit comes after the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) said that emissions defeat devices would no longer be a top priority for the agency.”

So literally the EPA did the exact opposite of your complaint. Or you meant to say DOJ.

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