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Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

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Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

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post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

The first flat panel tvs started in the $x000 price range. I'm amazed an eink display this big is actually affordable (minimum quantities aside).

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#83
post #29

Samsung sells an LED TV specifically for this use case. Currently only at 4K. https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/

I’m browsing this link for a good 5min. Looks interesting. I get that it tries to simulate paper, but I have no idea how. Even the “explore technology” link has little extra detail. I don’t even know if it’s backlit.

It's just a TV with a matte screen and a way for Samsung to sell you public domain art.

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#84
post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

My dream is, when these finally come down in price, to build a dynamic DnD map.

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#85
Don’t get me wrong, I like this project and the write up, but it seems a little bit overkill. These e-ink displays are 3 thousand each and this guy is the CTO of PhotoRoom. Hey it’s not coming out of my pocket and I don’t know if it’s company or personal money, but it seems a little bit off.

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#86
post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

>For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. Because it's a lot easier and cheaper to manufacture large LCD panels at scale than E-ink film. >It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price. I don't know any company or shareholders that would say no to making more money so if this would actually be true then it would, but that's n…

I didn't downvote... but if you're being downvoted it's probably for ignoring the flywheel effect needed to scale novel tech in the market.

Yes e-ink has high wastage, and yes demand is low, but having had a strong arming expensive patent holder didn't help the situation. The patents are actually expiring/expired but at some point the damage is already done.

A great corollarly to e-ink is 3d printers: they were very expensive, very low volume products that needed to recoup expensive development costs... but when the 200 lbs gorilla sitting on the market in the form of patents started to die down, a lot more players start to iterate, which unlocked advancements, which made things cheaper and more accessible, which improved demand, which then incentivized more advancements... and now we have $400 printers that outperform $10,000 printers from not that long ago.

Most display tech starts high wastage, low demand. Patents aren't a guaranteed death, but e-ink was just a bit too far off the path for absolutely required innovations to overcome the added resistance. In the mean time other technologies got better: sunlight performance of non-eink displays has improved dramatically for example.

Now the moment has probably passed and e-ink is doomed to stay a niche sideline product as a result.

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#87
post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

My dream is, when these finally come down in price, to build a dynamic DnD map.

Why not just put any other kind of display flat and put glass over it to protect it?

Edit: Someone has your dream display already :) https://www.etsy.com/listing/1463146123/43-4k-dnd-tv-table

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#88
post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

If it's a 4k TV it also has more pixels and better refresh rate. And color. But for that extra $2360 you get the feature that your image is still there when the power is off. I expect that feature would be substantially more costly regardless of the patent holder's extra.

Re: Show HN: Building a 42-inch E-Ink frame for generative art

#90
post #18

Well done. There would be so many more cool applications of e-ink if it wasn't $2,500 for a 42" display: https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeeP... (minimum order 3) For comparison a 42" full-color 60fps TV with remote, speakers, wifi, etc. etc. is $140. It seems like the patent holder could be making a lot more money if they dropped the price.

The first flat panel tvs started in the $x000 price range. I'm amazed an eink display this big is actually affordable (minimum quantities aside).

E-ink has been around for a long time. It's not one of the first panels.
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