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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by black6 »

xeromal wrote: post #4
FireBeyond wrote: post #2

What about silencers/suppressors? Haven't looked for a while, but it used to be fairly common to be able to find them on both Amazon and eBay, usually listed as "lawnmower mufflers", with pretty un-subtle hints: "This lawnmower muffler fits a 9mm exhaust and you can bang around your back yard all morning without disturbing your neighbor."

An oil filter can act as a suppressor too so I don't think there's much you can do about that.

More to the point, there's nothing that can be done about thread adapters for oil filters. There are any number of legitimate uses for a 13/16"-16 to 1/2"-28 adapter.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by strbean »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #70
strbean wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about the political leanings of right to repair supporters on average, but there are prominent supports who I certainly wouldn't characterize as leftist. See Louis Rossman for example.

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That's an atrocious Wikipedia article. They don't even pull a quote, they just reference a 30 minute YouTube video directly?

From what I can tell, the only relevant bit in that video is that he concedes he didn't know that tractor racing (tractor pulls) was a thing.

And thinking any environmental regulations should exist certainly doesn't place you on the left. Do you think Richard Nixon was a leftist?

Rossman spends about the same amount of time railing against regulation as he does supporting right to repair.

Right to repair is largely about protecting individual liberties and property rights.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by rpmisms »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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That's false. I'm extremely (machine guns are a human right, the government got too big in 1777) libertarian-right, and right-to-repair is a sensible regulation that empowers individual agency and adds massive value to the economy.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Kerrick »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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The right to repair isn't leftist for those who don't believe intellectual property is property. For those people, the laws prohibiting people from cracking lockouts on hardware they own and modifying the code running on their own equipment are the governmental regulation they're fighting against.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by strbean »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #51
LargeWu wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's must be some interesting mental gymnastics to equate "protecting consumer rights" to "state control".

Who guarantees protection of consumer rights if not the state? Again, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. People mentioned farmers in your sibling comments, are those consumers? I thought they are not.

With respect to the farming equipment market, they are the consumers.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Scoundreller »

My experience is that eBay screws up their filters and wayyy overfilters.

The Canadian government has some secret spat with Xiaomi cellphones and got eBay, newegg and Amazon to stop their sale. They weren’t approved for sale in Canada, but I suspect some other reasoning for targeting a Chinese manufacturer in particular and not all the other unapproved products.

However, eBay just blocked anything with “xiaomi” in the title, so their scooters, vacuums, android TV hubs and everything were no longer available for sale.

I had an old Mi Box (TV hub) listed for sale that became shadow-banned: after it didn’t sell for a while (duh, nobody could find it), I went to lower the price and it gave some vague error. I called eBay and they said it was due to gov regulation but had no further info, so I just took “xiaomi” out of the title and voila!

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by titaniumtown »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #70
strbean wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about the political leanings of right to repair supporters on average, but there are prominent supports who I certainly wouldn't characterize as leftist. See Louis Rossman for example.

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I don't think that confirms any "points" you've made at all.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Kerb_ »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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Put this on your main, homie. I dare you.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by valianteffort »

sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

Not everyone lives in California so while OEM's might produce all cars to meet California standards, it is completely legal in states with more relaxed laws to make such modifications.

At the least I think the government could argue about selling in jurisdictions where it is illegal.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by grepfru_it »

genter wrote: post #90
wutwutwat wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

Don't waste your time. I've tried, my PD told me that I need to get used to the noise.

Let me translate for you:

Management (the courts) do not find it lucrative enough (political capital) to pursue weak cases (lax laws passed by the legislative branch).

In order to fix you must bring awareness in your local community to the problem (lax laws) and petition change (raise political capital). The courts and byproxy, enforcement, will follow. The larger the city, the more difficult this becomes.

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