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GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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So the service costs MSFT an average of $30/user/month. So if they want to make a business with decent margins out of this, they're going to need to charge $60/user/month or more.

That's not too much if it's adding a lot of value but it's also definitely a lot of money. It would be the most expensive SaaS my team pays for (and we have a lot of subscriptions).

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure it's the same people? That said, even if it is, there's something to be said for intentionally sharing a constrained set of code vs using something that spies on you in real life.

Could be different sets of people actually! However. It will eventually, chunk by chunk, upload the full source code of the app you are writing. Complete with all typos and mis-pastes. Like youtube blocks videos with just a hint of copyrighted music, they may be able to detect use of "patented" algos or something like that and block you/ send a lawyer/etc.

> upload the full source code of the app you are writing

The full code that’s already uploaded via “git push”?

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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How came that usually privacy-minded hn crowd uses run-by-someone-else models so cheerfully and carelessly? You do realize any data sent to MS/openai/anyone will be stored forever and probably be used against you in the (near) future?

Indeed. Our company looked at the IP issues and issued a very strong "do not put any company IP in an AI" edict.

Have you double-checked the terms of service? Are you absolutely certain that there's no risk of your copilot use impairing your intellectual property rights in the future?

Given what happened to Unity, how comfortable are you with becoming dependent on copilot and then having the rules change underneath you?

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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post #10

How came that usually privacy-minded hn crowd uses run-by-someone-else models so cheerfully and carelessly? You do realize any data sent to MS/openai/anyone will be stored forever and probably be used against you in the (near) future?

> How came that usually privacy-minded hn crowd HN has never been a privacy-minded crowd. It's been a collection of random people, and depending on the threads of topic, you'll get more people speaking out than others. See the Dropbox post from 2007. Nary a privacy concern. HN isn't a single voice. Why do you think it's a privacy-minded crowd? Because you probably react and respond to similar posts, and you see peopl…

My own code is on my own gitea instance in my home, exposed via a cheap jump server. My companys code is stored on-premise. Nothing touches github and no, ms does not already have my code.

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

#55

Thus, the price of Github Copilot is going to go up, 2x to 5x. For all of the criticism of Github Copilot, for a lot of developers (but not all), the value Github Copilot is incredibly high, much more than $20/month. The current rock bottom pricing is low compared to the value provided for those users. As such there is a big opportunity to multiply the price here being charged. Probably an increase between 3x to 5x.…

I’m ok to pay for usage privately and my company is ok to pay $100/mo for unlimited (probably, haven’t asked)

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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post #52
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be different sets of people actually! However. It will eventually, chunk by chunk, upload the full source code of the app you are writing. Complete with all typos and mis-pastes. Like youtube blocks videos with just a hint of copyrighted music, they may be able to detect use of "patented" algos or something like that and block you/ send a lawyer/etc.

> upload the full source code of the app you are writing The full code that’s already uploaded via “git push”?

... via git push to a trusted origin, which is not github.

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

#57

I feel like the centralisation of server resources for something like copilot doesn’t really make sense. Many (most) professional developers are working on beefy laptops. If ever there were a case to run these models client side, a software developer’s laptop is probably the ideal place. What are the specs that are needed to run inference on these models?

> I feel like the centralisation of server resources for something like copilot doesn’t really make sense.

For whom? For those selling them it absolutely does, because that's how they get to charge a huge ongoing markup on hardware and electricity costs. That's why everything is a service now.

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

#58

GitHub’s CoPilot is the most disappointing of AI products out there.

For some developers for sure, but not all. I am a senior developer with +20 years of experience and I find Github Copilot amazing. It significantly boosts my productivity. I do not expect the world from it, and I do run into limitations, but it helps me tremendously to be productive in languages and tools which I have low/no familiarity. I think Github Copilot paired with ChatGPT fails the most in idiosyncratic code…

Which language? New or maintenance code?

Re: GitHub Copilot loses an average of $20 per user per month

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GitHub’s CoPilot is the most disappointing of AI products out there.

For some developers for sure, but not all. I am a senior developer with +20 years of experience and I find Github Copilot amazing. It significantly boosts my productivity. I do not expect the world from it, and I do run into limitations, but it helps me tremendously to be productive in languages and tools which I have low/no familiarity. I think Github Copilot paired with ChatGPT fails the most in idiosyncratic code…

If you are an expert (or very good) with your tools, these AI products can save tons of time.

Due to hallucinations, beginners can get knee deep very quickly, but experts can see through this and use these tools will skill.

I don't write as much code as I used to, but I still write code daily and appreciate how they can turn what was a 10-60 minute task into 1 minute of prompting plus 30 seconds of generation/reading to make sure it is valid.

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