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Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by auggierose »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #126
auggierose wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, of course it is fair. You can charge whatever you want for your program. But Ardour is free. Accepting donations is not the same as charging for something.

Technically speaking, ardour.org charges for a build service . You can get the source code for free from us (either as a tarball or via git). You can get the source code or the binary from somebody else. But if you want to get the binary from us, we ask you pay at least US$1.

OK, I see, I didn't know that. I was just clicking through to the macos download without actually downloading anything. By the way, there still seems to be a notice before download that macOS will say that the app is damaged, although now it won't complain after notarisation, right?

I actually moved away from Apple/Swift development because of the limitations they place on you even if you pay (I cannot embed an interpreter in my iOS app, really?), and am now coding in TypeScript. So while the $100 are not a big deal, I think, it's a symptom of something that's wrong.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by nomoreusernames »

smoldesu wrote: post #55
JodieBenitez wrote: post #3

The screenshot features the excellent Surge synth. Check it out if you don't know it, it's an excellent sounding synth with a gorgeous oscillators section.

Serge is great, but Vital whips the llama's ass: https://vital.audio/ There was a time when Sylenth and Serum-quality synthesizers didn't exist for free. Back then, shit like Serge and Helm were really the best you could rely on. Maybe a few free U-HE plugins or your DAW defaults. Today's producers are downright spoiled with so many excellent free options!

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Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by prmoustache »

throwaway290 wrote: post #105
prmoustache wrote: post #100

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Unless you are running your plugins in a sandbox or have different profiles for different usages, this doesn't make any difference as what is more important, your personal data is accessible from your main user. Anyone producing music from qubesOS?

Are you saying it makes no difference whether process runs as root or normal user in whatever OS you're on?

I am saying it depends of the attack scenario.

Privilege escalation is a big issue for servers and mutualized systems. On a personal computer this is the least of your concerns as your personnal data is more valuable than some binaries in your root filesystem. People are ready to get their precious data pwned or ransomwared but are afraid some process would get root access, this is backwards thinking.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by spacechild1 »

codedokode wrote: post #122
spacechild1 wrote: post #77

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> Also on Linux it supports only rarely used plugin formats (LV2, Linux VST), for which there are little plugins. On Linux, Ardour supports LADSPA, LV2, VST2 and VST3. Those are the most widely used plugin formats. What are you missing exactly?

Those are rarely used formats, most of plugins are either in Windows formats like VST, or in Mac formats.

? VST is a cross-platform plugin format, supported by Ardour. I have no idea what you are looking for...

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by mhitza »

codedokode wrote: post #123
mhitza wrote: post #26

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For Fedora use this copr https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/patrickl/yabridge/

The link says that it supports only Fedora 38. Also, the main page for COPR says (in a small font): "NOTE: Copr is not yet officially supported by Fedora Infrastructure.". As I understand, it is the repository for packages uploaded by random anonymous users (not related to the authors of yabridge or Fedora).

> The link says that it supports only Fedora 38

That is correct. I didn't think specifically about Fedora 37; it's been a while since I upgraded to 38. I couldn't find F37 builds, even though that's around the time I tested yabridge. You might consider switching to 38 anyway, as 37 is less than two months away from it reaching EOL -- F39 release date (17 October) + 30 days.

> As I understand, it is the repository for packages uploaded by random anonymous users (not related to the authors of yabridge or Fedora).

That is mostly correct. It was not uploaded, but built on the Fedora infrastructure, following the RPM spec you can reach from the builds tab [1], for example the latest change located here [2].

There is an amount of trust you have to give to the copr author, but you can also check the rpm spec file [3]. Important quick checks are around the source0 lines.

> Also, the main page for COPR says (in a small font): "NOTE: Copr is not yet officially supported by Fedora Infrastructure."

Getting a package shipped into the Fedora base repositories seems rather bureaucratic and I understand any hacker that doesn't want to use their own time to deal with that.

[1] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/patrickl/yabridge/bu...

[2] https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/patrickl/yab...

[3] https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/patrickl/yab...

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

runiq wrote: post #118
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #67

As usual, the lead developer (c'est moi) is happy to answer any questions.

I still feel like track/bus groups, VCAs, and now ad-hoc groups are three different ways of doing roughly the same thing. Are there plans to unify them into a single concept, maybe? (I know that especially VCAs are different here, but in the end, they are groups of groups if you squint hard enough, are they not?)

No, VCAs are quite different from the other two. They represent an external entity (the VCA) that can be used to control other entities, and they are mixer (signal flow) related only (i.e. have no impact on editing).

Persistent and quick groups are definitely related; we've already a few trenchant observations about what we've done with quick groups, and we will work on taking them into consideration as we refine how this works. But fundamentally, I see persistent groups and quick groups as orthogonal, and their main job is not to interfere (too much) with each other.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by pests »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #82
junon wrote: post #79

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I've used Cubase historically, but started and now have transitioned back to FL Studio since I can get my thoughts and ideas out quicker than in Cubase. I've seen Ardour for a long, long time but haven't ever tried it. What, if anything, would I be missing by switching? I primarily do composition, so lots of VSTs etc.

FL Studio is a very, very different sort of DAW than, well, just about every other DAW (including Ardour). If you were moving from Cubase, Logic, Studio One, ProTools, Digital Performer etc., then I'd say you would miss very little by switching to Ardour other than some of the builtin plugins for those DAWs. But if you have become used to the FL Studio workflow, Ardour (and the list of DAWs above) are likely to feel…

As someone who isn't very well versed in DAWs can someone give a breakdown of how FL Studio is different than others? I see references to "regular linear" below so what makes FL Studio not that? Sorry for the basic questions.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by bscphil »

pilaf wrote: post #32

I'm not a musician, but I've been happily using Ardour to edit a podcast for many years now (paying for a subscription the whole time too) and I really like the workflow I arrived at with it. One particular feature I like is the ability to edit while playing the audio at 2x speed, which I use to do a quick first pass where I remove obvious things like dead air, coughs, uhms, etc., before doing a second pass at 1x loo…

I'm glad you've been able to see this issue fixed, but I'm wondering (genuinely) why you didn't bother reporting this issue, which kept you from upgrading software that you were paying a subscription for (!) for over three years (Ardour 6.0 was released in May 2020). As you can see from the thread, the Ardour developers were happy to improve the software based on your feedback.

In general (with a few exceptions), open source developers are happy to receive bug reports on their software. It's not like the situation in the Windows freeware world where software is just dumped on a web forum somewhere and reports go into a black hole.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by Reubend »

pests wrote: post #137
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FL Studio is a very, very different sort of DAW than, well, just about every other DAW (including Ardour). If you were moving from Cubase, Logic, Studio One, ProTools, Digital Performer etc., then I'd say you would miss very little by switching to Ardour other than some of the builtin plugins for those DAWs. But if you have become used to the FL Studio workflow, Ardour (and the list of DAWs above) are likely to feel…

As someone who isn't very well versed in DAWs can someone give a breakdown of how FL Studio is different than others? I see references to "regular linear" below so what makes FL Studio not that? Sorry for the basic questions.

FL Studio groups everything into patterns, and then the patterns are arranged to form a song. Traditional DAWS just place audio/MIDI data directly into the song, without abstracting those pieces away.

If you're making something like hip hop or EDM, where there's a lot of repetition, then this functionality in FL Studio can be helpful. But it also has a lot of weak areas compared to other DAWs.

Re: Ardour 8.0

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Post by iainctduncan »

jmgrosen wrote: post #104
iainctduncan wrote: post #93

Congratulations Paul. For those who don't know, the creator of Ardour is active here and was (historically) very active and helpful on Linux audio lists. I learnt a lot from dicussions on there on the intracies of audio programming. While my work has shifted from Linux audio to Max/MSP these days (I wrote Scheme for Max), in the mid 2000s linux audio hacking was my gateway to the world of programming, eventually lead…

Thank you for the self-promotion, Scheme for Max looks like something I’ve been wishing for for a long time!

thanks! prob the best place to get a sense of it is the youtube videos.

http://youtube.com/c/musicwithlisp

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