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Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by hyggetrold »

Looks nice - major feature request / design ask / feedback.

The current "kanban board" looks basically the same as JIRA's and it's what a lot of people are familiar with. I would love love love to see a visualization that puts all current planned stories into a single vertical column and groups them by status. Done at the top, ready for review underneath, then in progress, and not started. It's a way more compact view of stories and better use of real estate.

For prior art look at Pivotal Tracker.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by johandicap »

kyaghmour wrote: post #26
bilekas wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am really not savvy with the open source licenses, but why did you dislike the Affery license model ?

Here's from Leantime's own FAQ ( https://leantime.io/pricing/ ): "We are GPL-2 and require code updates to be submitted back to the core code. We offer Enterprise licenses if you’d like to modify the code to use for company use."

Under GPL-2, is the company not allowed to modify the code for internal (company) use given they avoid publishing or distributing these modifications?

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by greenflux »

"We take the WTF out of managing work" -nice. I love the animation with this. The UI of the product looks pretty good too. Glad to see you have row grouping on the table view.

Another good open-source Jira alternative is https://plane.so/ . They also have a free cloud plan with unlimited users.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by kyaghmour »

intheleantime wrote: post #27
kyaghmour wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call it what makes you warm and fuzzy. Here's from Leantime's own FAQ ( https://leantime.io/pricing/ ): "We are GPL-2 and require code updates to be submitted back to the core code. We offer Enterprise licenses if you’d like to modify the code to use for company use." The pattern is effectively always the same. Many companies use this license to offer a free version while offering a "way out" by providing an "enterpr…

I think there is a misunderstanding of the license(s) here: "But as soon as you want to customize and keep the changes, they want to charge you" Neither GPL nor AGPL require you to submit anything back (or charges you) for changes made to your system for your own usage. Even if it is within a company. It is about preventing distributing derivates to the public under closed source licenses. You can even have and keep…

Have you actually read the Affero license?

From section 13: "Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, if you modify the Program, your modified version must prominently offer all users interacting with it remotely through a computer network (if your version supports such interaction) an opportunity to receive the Corresponding Source of your version by providing access to the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge, through some standard or customary means of facilitating copying of software."

Your statement is incorrect: "You can even have and keep changes (unpublished) for you entire organization without having to contribute back. It is when you distribute it back to public that you have to license the changes under the same license."

Even *HOSTING* a private instance puts you under Affero. Even if the instance isn't public, if you so much as have a contractor remotely accessing an internal deployment of a customized Affero-licensed software then they can ask for this customization.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.en.html

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by jdlyga »

You're preaching to the choir with Jira alternatives. For devs, Jira more often gets in the way than helps. We're ok with a minimal set of features. In order to really get traction, you need to sell PM's and leadership types.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by intheleantime »

greenflux wrote: post #33

"We take the WTF out of managing work" -nice. I love the animation with this. The UI of the product looks pretty good too. Glad to see you have row grouping on the table view. Another good open-source Jira alternative is https://plane.so/ . They also have a free cloud plan with unlimited users.

We feel like the free cloud plan is the way to go -- by keeping our core features free, we think it's the "level up" PM features that start to bring value worth paying for.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by intheleantime »

crabbone wrote: post #28

I keep looking at various JIRA alternatives, but no good finds so far. This is definitely not it. I don't really like the idea of bug tracker as a sort of a GUI program that acts like time management software, i.e. focuses on planning work, tracking how much effort was spent, ability to add notes to tasks etc. My ideal bug-tracking software works more like Git: it has a server-client relationship where clients query…

I really appreciate your feedback here and I see where you're coming from and can agree if you're looking at Jira as a purely bug tracking / development tool.

Unfortunately, and I think important to call out -- is that most companies are trying to use these tools as a "catch all" -- "a one in all solution that solves everyone's problems" and then ultimately, half of the company refuses to use the tools because it's too focused on one user group.

Our long term approach is really about making work and getting sh*t done as a relevant part of the PM process and less on time management. Time management is part of organization but people want to care about what they're building and why... something that can be absent in a lot of orgs and even in how we organize ourselves in small teams, startups or small businesses.

What I do hear and think would be interesting -- is incorporating a plugin more specific to your workflow mentioned here... because absolutely, tighter QA, etc, is vital and there are things not otherwise easily replicated as part of a dev's flow. We, otherwise, don't have any current intentions to use "bots" in a way that automates things that people should really still be overseeing.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by latchkey »

hyggetrold wrote: post #31

Looks nice - major feature request / design ask / feedback. The current "kanban board" looks basically the same as JIRA's and it's what a lot of people are familiar with. I would love love love to see a visualization that puts all current planned stories into a single vertical column and groups them by status. Done at the top, ready for review underneath, then in progress, and not started. It's a way more compact vie…

PT is the gold standard imho. Mainly around the fact that it does such a great job tracking velocity. The primary issue is that outside of developers who've worked at Pivotal (I have), most people don't understand the process of using PT.

Re: Leantime: Open-Source Jira Alternative

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Post by intheleantime »

hyggetrold wrote: post #31

Looks nice - major feature request / design ask / feedback. The current "kanban board" looks basically the same as JIRA's and it's what a lot of people are familiar with. I would love love love to see a visualization that puts all current planned stories into a single vertical column and groups them by status. Done at the top, ready for review underneath, then in progress, and not started. It's a way more compact vie…

Thank you for the feedback! Our table views as well as the list views allow grouping by status and will show the vertical groups as you described. Is that what you are looking for? There are a couple screenshots on the repo. (Though they show the group by milestone, status is possible the same way)
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