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It’s sad but the US peaked sometime in the last 30-40 years. NY is the only semi-functioning metro system in the whole country and it will likely crumble in the next few decades unless something on the order of the New Deal is enacted.
I'd disagree with your statement about NYC being the only one. The Chicagoland CTA, Metra and NICTD (Indiana) is certainly not at its best, but is nonetheless at the very least "semi-functional".
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Tourists don't drive in Manhattan and businesses there don't rely on vehicle traffic. And delivery vehicles are not charged as far as I am aware in the current proposal. The people who will suffer the most are people who drive in for work and suburban families that drive in for weekend day trips. The latter can afford to pay for the privilege. The former tends to be people under-served by transit, which is unfortunat…
> The people who will suffer the most are people who drive in for work and suburban families that drive in for weekend day trips. The latter can afford to pay for the privilege. The former tends to be people under-served by transit It's even less of a problem than you think. The people who drive in for work are rich executives and lawyers etc. who can afford to park in Manhattan. Not maids or baristas. They're not un…
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It’s sad but the US peaked sometime in the last 30-40 years. NY is the only semi-functioning metro system in the whole country and it will likely crumble in the next few decades unless something on the order of the New Deal is enacted.
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> basically $200-300 round-trip to get a car to take me into the city The congestion charge will be between $9 and $23. For certain parts of Manhattan. During certain hours. It sounds like your problem is where you live, fundamentally, not the charge. > a thousand dollars at that point between hotel and transportation You do see how, from a resident's perspective, you spending more money less frequently is not a down…
"Certain parts of Manhattan" is south of 66th St. The things that people want to deal with the PITA of living in Manhattan over depend on volume of people. COVID and WTF killed commercial office traffic - now that it's getting dark early take a walk up 3rd Avenue in the late afternoon - the offices are empty. So the residents don't want to deal with commuters, don't want to deal with drivers, etc. Cool. I don't want…
Real estate crashing would save NYC from itself.
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I can’t even begin to understand what you are trying to say here. What do you mean?
People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia) which means that infighting overtakes quality of governance as a priority. New York has been like that forever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall It’s the same story all over the world where you have similar sectarian politics.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921
> I think this illustrates my point, though. In the primary, Black and Latino New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported Adams, while Asians supported Yang. But the Black, Latino, and Asian progressive activists mostly opposed both and sided with the candidates preferred by white progressives.
[1] https://www.gothamgazette.com/130-opinion/10656-latino-vote-... [2] https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-eric-adams-won-the-... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/10/new-york-m...
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People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia) which means that infighting overtakes quality of governance as a priority. New York has been like that forever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall It’s the same story all over the world where you have similar sectarian politics.
Everything that I read suggested that Adams had a broad constituency of Black and Hispanic votes.[1,2,3] This was also a point that you made repeatedly, while noting that politics was more significant than racial voting lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921 > I think this illustrates my point, though. In the primary, Black and Latino New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported Adams, while Asians supported Ya…
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Oh no, it will get far worse. The congestion tolls are both going to send tourists and business fleeing. Manhattan will be a beautiful playground for the people who live there until things start failing.
as if cars are the primary form of transit in NYC. The congestion tolls will make us more reliant on public transit, but that’s exactly the point. We don’t want to build car-centric infrastructure.
The value of NYC in 2023 isn't NYC, there's no industry per se. It's a financial, cultural and administrative center -- a hub. The marginal changes have huge impacts on the region, nation and maybe the world. If 1% of NY metro people need something, that's 200,000 impacted people; more than the entire upstate NY region where I live.
The activists living in Manhattan who are wound up about Manhattan being congested, etc are living in a bubble. Their world depends on the outsiders.
The actual dollar value of toll isn't relevant. The perception is. If there's a thing in Manhattan that isn't a commute to a job, you need to do the calculus if the pain in the ass of getting to Manhattan is worth it. If you're not young or particularly mobile, it's a hard no.
Why does it matter? Huge industries in NYC depend on NYC being NYC. If you're fighting cancer, are you going to go to MSK, NYU or Cornell in Manhattan? There's no hotels of note north of 66th St, so on top of everything else, you're facing more hassle and expense. How does that impact the tens of thousands of people working at these places long term?
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as if cars are the primary form of transit in NYC. The congestion tolls will make us more reliant on public transit, but that’s exactly the point. We don’t want to build car-centric infrastructure.
It's a city of almost 10 million people with a metro area of 20 million people, and a broader region of 60+ million people depending on how you look at it. The value of NYC in 2023 isn't NYC, there's no industry per se. It's a financial, cultural and administrative center -- a hub. The marginal changes have huge impacts on the region, nation and maybe the world. If 1% of NY metro people need something, that's 200,000…
Edit: it seems like you’re doing your calculations based on the idea that increased access via car leads to increased sales. The data actually shows the opposite: The more walkable the area is, the more sales at storefronts. Locations that shutdown lanes of traffic to increase walkability or increase bike traffic see a massive jump in revenue.
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Everything that I read suggested that Adams had a broad constituency of Black and Hispanic votes.[1,2,3] This was also a point that you made repeatedly, while noting that politics was more significant than racial voting lines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30770921 > I think this illustrates my point, though. In the primary, Black and Latino New Yorkers overwhelmingly supported Adams, while Asians supported Ya…
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> People vote along ethnic/racial lines (look at the primary voting for Adams versus Yang versus Garcia)
This seems to imply something quite other than a broad cross-racial constituency. It also seems to fit oddly with the fact that progressives of all races voted against Adams. And why mention Garcia if there "wasn't a major Latino candidate"?
Look, I'm clearly not inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt here. You make incendiary trolling claims, and when asked to explain yourself, backpedal into vacuous, but reasonable-sounding, contradictions. And you get leeway because you played the role of a Burkean foil for other popular commenters here. But at this point, it just seems like you're showing contempt for the site, and for its users.