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Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by panick21_ »

taylodl wrote: post #129
panick21_ wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Minor accidents resulting in cars being totaled That's not actually what's happening. > which means these gigacast vehicles aren’t going to sell well. The Model Y is one of the one of the most sold car in the world and uses more casting then any other vehicle in the world. But why bother with data when one can just make up stuff.

Maybe you didn't see this news? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-wer... ).

That article has noting todo with castings. It literally doesn't even mention castings. If this owner had damanged his casting it couldn't be repaired for 5k.

The article even talks about how this doesn't just apply to Tesla, so again, this has nothing to do with using castings.

This is also a British articles based no British concern and insurance companies.

Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by taylodl »

panick21_ wrote: post #131
taylodl wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you didn't see this news? https://www.theguardian.com/money/2023/sep/30/the-quotes-wer... ).

That article has noting todo with castings. It literally doesn't even mention castings. If this owner had damanged his casting it couldn't be repaired for 5k. The article even talks about how this doesn't just apply to Tesla, so again, this has nothing to do with using castings. This is also a British articles based no British concern and insurance companies.

Other articles are covering the irreparability of gigacast autos. Stainless steel is the icing on the cake for irreparability (technically it can be repaired, but it requires different tooling and skills - you're not going to be to take your Cyber Truck to a normal body repair shop). All that drives up insurance costs.

Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by panick21_ »

taylodl wrote: post #132
panick21_ wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That article has noting todo with castings. It literally doesn't even mention castings. If this owner had damanged his casting it couldn't be repaired for 5k. The article even talks about how this doesn't just apply to Tesla, so again, this has nothing to do with using castings. This is also a British articles based no British concern and insurance companies.

Other articles are covering the irreparability of gigacast autos. Stainless steel is the icing on the cake for irreparability (technically it can be repaired, but it requires different tooling and skills - you're not going to be to take your Cyber Truck to a normal body repair shop). All that drives up insurance costs.

So I made an argument and then you sent an unrelated article as counter evidence?

I suggest you read my top level post, to get my overall position.

To make statement about CyberTruck before we have ever seen the internally design and a detailed tear-down talking about its repair-ability is mostly nonsense speculation that I will not take seriously.

Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by taylodl »

panick21_ wrote: post #133
taylodl wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other articles are covering the irreparability of gigacast autos. Stainless steel is the icing on the cake for irreparability (technically it can be repaired, but it requires different tooling and skills - you're not going to be to take your Cyber Truck to a normal body repair shop). All that drives up insurance costs.

So I made an argument and then you sent an unrelated article as counter evidence? I suggest you read my top level post, to get my overall position. To make statement about CyberTruck before we have ever seen the internally design and a detailed tear-down talking about its repair-ability is mostly nonsense speculation that I will not take seriously.

It's not speculation that the CyberTruck is made of stainless steel. Tesla has stated as much and we've seen as much. It's not speculation that the CyberTruck utilizes the gigacast manufacturing technique. Tesla has stated as much and Tesla has been advising its investors concerning the new gigacast presses they're using for the CyberTruck (the largest of its kind in the world). We know gigacast vehicles are difficult to repair. We know stainless steel is even more difficult to repair. This isn't speculation, these are simple facts. The article I linked isn't unrelated - it noted that insurers are raising premiums for these kinds of vehicles in the UK and other insurers are downright cancelling their policies. They're simply too expensive to repair and the problem is getting worse. In light of that, I don't see why Toyota would want to follow down that path.

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Post by spikels »

RickJWagner wrote: post #125

I've become really skeptical of all the auto magazines that find ways to criticize Tesla in every article. The most easily imaginable conspiracy theory is that Tesla has pioneered techniques that let it manufacture electric vehicles with good range at a reasonable cost, catching other auto manufacturers flat-footed. By continually improving and lowering prices, Tesla makes it nearly impossible for others to keep up.…

Better conspiracy theory: auto magazines/websites make most of their revenue from advertising and while car makers spend around $10B/year on advertising Tesla spends nothing.

Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by scyzoryk_xyz »

oldpersonintx wrote: post #38
scyzoryk_xyz wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t always get scrapped - they often get sent out to another country, sold at a discount, fixed there.

so are we at..."this is bad because it will restrict the flow of unsafe junkers passed off to someone living in Panama"?

I don't know tbh. I just drive a 10-15 y.o. US vehicle in Poland because the previous owner imported it. Who knows, when I'm done with it, it might even be exported on out of the EU.

Re: Toyota Will Adopt Tesla-Style Cast Bodies That Might Be Impossible to Fix

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Post by spikels »

Idra, the supplier of Tesla’s casting machines, is also building similar casting machines for Ford, Hyundai and an unnamed premium European carmaker.

Here’s a picture of the Ford casting machine under construction/testing at Idra:

https://twitter.com/lucagrecoita/status/1712112497673568738

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