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The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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It’s sad but the US peaked sometime in the last 30-40 years. NY is the only semi-functioning metro system in the whole country and it will likely crumble in the next few decades unless something on the order of the New Deal is enacted.

I'd disagree with your statement about NYC being the only one. The Chicagoland CTA, Metra and NICTD (Indiana) is certainly not at its best, but is nonetheless at the very least "semi-functional".

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Voters don't seem to vote in ways that are consistent with improving subway building functionality.

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Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Nonsense. People don’t want people driving into their cities and making noise/ taking up a bunch of space with their cars. We have zero problems with people taking transit in. Suburban residents want to treat the city as both a low density car friendly space and a place filled with culture/concerts/plays/restaurants, not realizing that the two are opposites.

Except that taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option. I'll happily take commuter rail in if I have to go into our urban office for the day but it's utterly unworkable for an evening event given how few trains there are and how long they take. And this is a city (Boston/Cambridge) with relatively good transit options. If driving in for the evening became any more difficult t…

The lack of regional electrified rail even on the Providence line is a blight on the Boston area. It is perfectly feasible to run regional trains every 15 minutes which would solve your problem.

Of course we won't get that until the 2050s at best...

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Which way would that be?

One priority would have to be getting the NY state government out of the city’s public transportation organizations. Right now, everything is subject to state politics because the state controls the MTA. Another would be making motorized individual methods of transit more and more painful and expanding bicycle/pedestrian infrastructure (this is often two birds with one stone). This will get the public to support poli…

How does shoving more people into the subway system help? The income? The trains are packed on the 'in the office ' days like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And pre pandemic the 45, F and other trains were rush hour torture. Now more apartments are built. But the trains run less frequently.

But we're installing elevators everywhere and making all stations accessible, and that, plus the ridiculous running of trains overnight, are priorities.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Voters don't seem to vote in ways that are consistent with improving subway building functionality.

The problem is that NYC doesn't control the MTA: it was taken under state control back in 1968. And the governor has too many other issues on his/her plate to care enough to give the agency the top-to-bottom revamp it desperately needs. No one gets elected governor of the whole state of NY by campaigning on 'I'll fix NYC's subways' as a message, and indeed some of the more recent governors (Pataki, A. Cuomo) seemed t…

> problem is that NYC doesn't control the MTA

New York voters are increasingly anti development. The only thing that protects it from going San Francisco is (a) Manhattan is joint to the other boroughs and (b) developers existing as a voting and lobbying constituency to counterbalance NIMBY homeowners and misguided tenants. Much of e.g. the Second Avenue subway’s delays were due to community roadblocks, not Albany.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Indeed, parts of East Side Access cost $1 million per foot. https://www.ocregister.com/2015/11/04/tunnel-to-grand-centra...

… and it’s made commutes worse for almost everyone. Imagine spending that much money and that many years and ending up with a net negative.

> it’s made commutes worse for almost everyone

How?

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

#67
post #59

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Nonsense. People don’t want people driving into their cities and making noise/ taking up a bunch of space with their cars. We have zero problems with people taking transit in. Suburban residents want to treat the city as both a low density car friendly space and a place filled with culture/concerts/plays/restaurants, not realizing that the two are opposites.

Except that taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option. I'll happily take commuter rail in if I have to go into our urban office for the day but it's utterly unworkable for an evening event given how few trains there are and how long they take. And this is a city (Boston/Cambridge) with relatively good transit options. If driving in for the evening became any more difficult t…

> taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option

If it’s that much of a hassle, for most entertainment one commutes into Manhattan for, you are fine paying the toll on an Uber. People driving themselves in and sensitive to the toll are, by definition, not adding much to the local economy.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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We just need another Robert Moses /s

We need another Giuliani (90s Giuliani, not what he's become).

Ok, that made me laugh. His only contribution to MTA in the 90's was to replace the old metal subway tokens with (first paper, then plastic) swipe tickets.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

#69
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Except that taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option. I'll happily take commuter rail in if I have to go into our urban office for the day but it's utterly unworkable for an evening event given how few trains there are and how long they take. And this is a city (Boston/Cambridge) with relatively good transit options. If driving in for the evening became any more difficult t…

> taking transit in, especially for an evening event, is often not a reasonable option If it’s that much of a hassle, for most entertainment one commutes into Manhattan for, you are fine paying the toll on an Uber. People driving themselves in and sensitive to the toll are, by definition, not adding much to the local economy.

I'm basically $200-300 round-trip to get a car to take me into the city. At that point, I'm probably going to make a weekend out of it whether I take commuter rail in or not--and I'm not going to do it very often. We're talking probably a thousand dollars at that point between hotel and transportation and whatever the actual activity is.

(And I'm not sure from a driving in perspective what's actually been gained relative to me taking my own car in and parking in a garage which is what I usually do.)

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Tourists don't drive in Manhattan and businesses there don't rely on vehicle traffic. And delivery vehicles are not charged as far as I am aware in the current proposal. The people who will suffer the most are people who drive in for work and suburban families that drive in for weekend day trips. The latter can afford to pay for the privilege. The former tends to be people under-served by transit, which is unfortunat…

> The people who will suffer the most are people who drive in for work and suburban families that drive in for weekend day trips. The latter can afford to pay for the privilege. The former tends to be people under-served by transit It's even less of a problem than you think. The people who drive in for work are rich executives and lawyers etc. who can afford to park in Manhattan. Not maids or baristas. They're not un…

I was more thinking about people in Rockland and Orange counties, as well as north Jersey. Agreed on the rich people driving in.
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