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The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We care about the environment, human life, and workers rights. That comes at substantially greater cost to build.

Many other advanced, rich, highly unionized countries.. like say, France.. are able to build subways at 1/10th the per-mile cost of NYC. So its far more than that.

But that doesn’t give the socialism bad windbags a venue to derail (ha) the conversation. Building a working mass transit system shouldn’t be a partisan (ha) shitshow.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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That's the fate of all large cities: infrastructure gets more and more complicated, and bureaucracy always keeps growing. The way to fix it is to stop building large dense cities. We need tax incentives for companies to create jobs in sparsely-populated regions and for remote jobs. Also probably something like cap-and-trade for dense office space. This way, eventually we won't need Downtowns with super-concentrated o…

> That's the fate of all large cities: infrastructure gets more and more complicated, and bureaucracy always keeps growing.

This is simply not backed up by reality; the article cites examples of European major cities without this problem. And do you really think Tokyo, Seoul or Shanghai have trouble building the transit they need?

The issue is that American institutions specifically are not fit for purpose, not an issue with large cities in general.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone will inevitably reply that the suburbs are not sustainable and it’s the cities that are propping them up.

This is an objectively true statement. Suburbs do not pay for their own maintenance and cities have to carry their economic weight: https://youtu.be/7Nw6qyyrTeI?si=zYfcwVLx0DYoexnM

Depends greatly on the suburb, many are subsidized but it’s a long way from all.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around. You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome. We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for…

> socialists

> Hoover Dam

The irony

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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post #20

That's the fate of all large cities: infrastructure gets more and more complicated, and bureaucracy always keeps growing. The way to fix it is to stop building large dense cities. We need tax incentives for companies to create jobs in sparsely-populated regions and for remote jobs. Also probably something like cap-and-trade for dense office space. This way, eventually we won't need Downtowns with super-concentrated o…

Nah it’s North American thing lots of stuff gets built in South America reasonably efficiently, and certainly much more quickly. Look at how much the Rio subway has expanded recently despite being about the same size as NY

What are you talking about? The Rio subway has barely expanded at all -- and where it has it has been neither quick nor efficient.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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> the norms is that not only is design done with consultants, but also the consultants are supervised by another layer of consultants

Consultants. Is this the whole problem?

My own experience with consultants is that this model rarely works. Consultants are usually not knowledgeable enough about what you are doing to do a good job. They’re also incentivized to drag things out and create dependencies and if this harms the project or the business they just skate on to the next one.

I really do wonder if a shift to outsourcing and consultants is the entire reason America can’t build.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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post #7

This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around. You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome. We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for…

We care about the environment, human life, and workers rights. That comes at substantially greater cost to build.

The US cares about none of those things and still pays insanely high prices for bad infrastructure. The US cares about businesses, and building good public utilities is fundamentally at odds with a for-profit model.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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post #20

That's the fate of all large cities: infrastructure gets more and more complicated, and bureaucracy always keeps growing. The way to fix it is to stop building large dense cities. We need tax incentives for companies to create jobs in sparsely-populated regions and for remote jobs. Also probably something like cap-and-trade for dense office space. This way, eventually we won't need Downtowns with super-concentrated o…

> That's the fate of all large cities: infrastructure gets more and more complicated, and bureaucracy always keeps growing. This is simply not backed up by reality; the article cites examples of European major cities without this problem. And do you really think Tokyo, Seoul or Shanghai have trouble building the transit they need? The issue is that American institutions specifically are not fit for purpose, not an is…

It does costs more to build in highly urban areas, but American problems are well...American.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around. You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome. We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for…

The new socialists tax you at 40% and then give you no services and a huge payroll of government workers. Socialism IS the problem.

We have all these problems right now and the US has the lowest tax rates in history. Stop falling for lies and start looking at numbers.

Edit: FYI socialism doesn’t mean the government controls or owns anything. It means that the workers own the means of production.

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