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The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Indeed, parts of East Side Access cost $1 million per foot.

https://www.ocregister.com/2015/11/04/tunnel-to-grand-centra...

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Voters don't seem to vote in ways that are consistent with improving subway building functionality.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Is that why byford failed?

Meaning that do you know that byford did not recognize what "anyone needs reminding" knew that nyc "can't build" is the problem?

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around.

You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome.

We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for now until 2043, it would crumble not long after that

As a counter example, the Hoover Dam, (for whatever you think of it's environmental impact) is in fine operation today and with no major engineering issues on the horizon projected until 2067 (which is the furthest they go out on contracts) despite the population growth that it has had to serve.

The kind of socialists that brought us the Hoover Dam don't exist anymore. We shouldn't expect any great social programs or systems in our lifetime.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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This report is basically just advance warning for people who live in NYC to start planning to not have it around. You don't put stuff like this into a final public report unless you think it's the most likely outcome. We know for a fact the US has neither the leadership, funding mechanism nor the incentive structures to actually build for BEYOND those 20 years anyway, so even if they were able to shore things up for…

We care about the environment, human life, and workers rights. That comes at substantially greater cost to build.

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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post #4

I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Voters don't seem to vote in ways that are consistent with improving subway building functionality.

Which way would that be?

Re: The NYC's MTA 20 year needs assessment reminds us they can't build

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post #3

I don’t think anyone needs reminding. Anyone who lives in NYC implicitly understands that we’re stuck with approximately the subway system we have now, forever.

Indeed, parts of East Side Access cost $1 million per foot. https://www.ocregister.com/2015/11/04/tunnel-to-grand-centra...

… and it’s made commutes worse for almost everyone. Imagine spending that much money and that many years and ending up with a net negative.
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