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Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

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Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#31

So, what does flash actually run on these days? Windows desktop PCs & laptops, on Mac desktops & laptops (for how much longer?) and that's about it. Well , looks like everyone should sharpen up those JS skills.

You do realize that those clients represent ~89% of all web usage, right?

...~89% of all web usage NOW (I'm not sure about the number though, but it seems legit and I take your word for it).

What about 2 years from now?

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#32
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since there are so many mobile devices and so many of them are iPhones, anyone building websites will try to steer away from using Flash. So Flash is dying, fast. I'll call out Steve Jobs on this one. Another good one! The best they could have done is to completely open source it...frankly it is too late. There are standards worked on that will completely replace it: Websockets, WebGL, WebRTC and so on. "Incumbent" i…

I don't think Steve Jobs necessarily is responsible for this, but that he was aware that it was going to happen. If the iPhone had shipped with a poor implementation of Flash, which was all Adobe was capable of delivering, Flash would still eventually die off. Jobs was just aware that it was worth the sacrifice of political capital to do away with Flash, since in a few years it would be a moot feature.

Apple had a big hand in this, Whilst there was plenty of negative sentiment towards flash before the iPhone etc I don't remember too many people talking about killing it.

Indeed many website owners liked having flash content on their site, it is only in the last few years that developers can point to a growing and lucrative demographic or users/devices that can't consume flash content.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#33

I cannot see how they can be serious about Flash if they are going to ignore Linux. It makes sense from Adobe's point of view, because the adoption on Linux is minimal, but for someone creating content on flash (for example - for video, games, or even some old school websites), this is just making it harder. Now these content creators have to worry about their clients on Linux platform. Adobe might as well say that F…

Now these content creators have to worry about their clients on Linux platform.

I don't thing many content creators worry that much about clients on the Linux platform.

Some don't even care about OS X clients (like those that rushed to adopt Silverlight back in the day), and that platform has 10x the Linux desktop share.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#34

Adobe fails to make any headlines that indicate they have any clue at all

Well, on the positive side all the reviews for the new Photoshop CS6 have been quite glowing. A major new version, indeed.

Lightroom 4 was also a very good update.

Oh, and Premiere is in the right track.

Killing Flash is best for Adobe in the long term. That, more refinement for their CS suite, and some new HTML5 tools like Edge will keep them afloat for many years to come.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#35

Thats a huge F * Y to a large customer base.

How are Linux desktop users a "customer" base?

For one, they are a very small niche. All "web stats" reports (the most accurate way of measuring such things) put them somewhere around 1%.

Plus, they are not paying for Flash. Flash, the paid-for tool, doesn't even run on Linux.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#36
You know, it just occurred to me.

One benefit of Adobe abandoning Flash in the medium-term, will be a push for improvements on the functionality and speed of SVG.

Google (Chrome) seems to mostly care about the canvas, re acceleration and all, whereas Adobe has much more interest in SVG because it needs it as a vector replacement for Flash.

Case in point, this just came in today: http://blogs.adobe.com/webplatform/2012/03/30/svg-animations...

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#37
post #7

They in a bit of a difficult situation. Since there are so many mobile devices and so many of them are iPhones, anyone building websites will try to steer away from using Flash. So Flash is dying, fast. The best they could have done is to completely open source it. Open source the spec fully, the players and the server. But even then, frankly it is too late. There are standards worked on that will completely replace…

Since there are so many mobile devices and so many of them are iPhones, anyone building websites will try to steer away from using Flash. So Flash is dying, fast. I'll call out Steve Jobs on this one. Another good one! The best they could have done is to completely open source it...frankly it is too late. There are standards worked on that will completely replace it: Websockets, WebGL, WebRTC and so on. "Incumbent" i…

I think it was the hard work of those who made browsers a viable alternative to Flash more than Steve Jobs' nyet. Without their work, not even the mighty Apple could have said no to Flash forever. But still, it was a good call by Steve Jobs, no doubt about that.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#38
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flash on linux has always been bugging and CPU inefficient..

Yes, but if this is an admit of defeat by Adobe's engineering (like how to some extent you can say it was on Tablet/phone platform), it just is a bad sign for them. What as a consumer of flash platform I need form Adobe is clarity and commitment. Today I see it has gone another step backward. Just reinforces the public opinion of wanting to move away from Flash even more.

Big picture they are trying to kill flash! I just don't think that this particular story is that big of a deal because it really only affects linux firefox users. So it's sort of a neat way to for them to re-prioritize on maintaining a product that they anticipate deprecating in the long run.

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#39
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but if this is an admit of defeat by Adobe's engineering (like how to some extent you can say it was on Tablet/phone platform), it just is a bad sign for them. What as a consumer of flash platform I need form Adobe is clarity and commitment. Today I see it has gone another step backward. Just reinforces the public opinion of wanting to move away from Flash even more.

Big picture they are trying to kill flash! I just don't think that this particular story is that big of a deal because it really only affects linux firefox users. So it's sort of a neat way to for them to re-prioritize on maintaining a product that they anticipate deprecating in the long run.

I think as an outsider to Adobe, logic dictates what you say. But here is Adobe's thoughts on Flash and their platform: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/articles/recent-up....

The section on Flash player for desktop does say they are keen on making it better, especially with on the multimedia front (I have to admit there are some pain points they do solve for multimedia). Nevertheless, I am with you in predicting that this is a sure sign of their slow but sure move towards killing it. I just hope people read it faster than we can and not pour money on building flash based solutions. (A lot of enterprise still use flash).

Re: Adobe Releases Last Linux Version Of Flash Player

#40
I hope the bitrot doesn't happen as fast this time as it did the last time they dropped support for the Flash version of Linux. The last time they did this, it was right before everyone starting using ALSA, so we were stuck using Flash with horribly broken audio for a long time.
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