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Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Rather, the answer (as always) is carbon tax.

Didn't work in Canada.

Canada's current carbon tax is at 65 CAD per ton of CO2, working out to roughly 15 cents per liter (typical gas price right now is 1.75ish per liter).

The degree of tax is just too small right now to realistically expect major impact on behavior.

We'll see what happens as tax continues to ramp.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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train travel is almost always the most expensive option compared to car, bus or plane alternatives. from a sustainability perspective an insanely lobsided state of affairs, the result of a century long of distorted incentives and policies. what could be more pleasant than being able to criss-cross Europe in night trains that are affordable, comfortable and sustainable? makes sense both for business and tourism. you c…

What you mean with expensive here? From the point of view of somebody who comutes daily, there is by far nothing cheaper than the 49 euro German ticket, similarly the Austrian climate ticket...

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Cattle class was decently comfortable on every train I was on, and combined with the far lower (almost pleasant) noise of trains vs. aircraft engines, it was a far nicer experience overall. Though supposedly theft is a greater issue on night trains than flights, so I was apprehensive to sleep..

Also no security and you. An arrive 5-10 before departure vs 1-4 hours depending on the airport and time (and just not dealing with security period)

Be careful with arriving just on time. We were refused boarding the Thalys once because on the station attendants watch it was 4 minutes to the time instead of 5. So we were refused on the platform even though the conductor of the train a few meters off was urging us to come and hurry.

(It was also the last train of the day that would get us to our destination. Ultimately we got a nice story out of it. But it still smarts.)

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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I love travelling by train. You are not treated like a criminal before you can board a train. You can sit and watch the landscape pass by. It's comfortable.

To be honest this is why I DON'T travel Amtrak anymore. Lots of sketchy people carrying who knows what weapons, no steward to watch bags when I'm supposed to sleep, etc.

One bad experience can burst that bubble for you.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria" This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity! Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

Thanks for sending me into that rabbit hole.

So according to the company’s 2022 annual report, they source power from 8 hydroelectric and 6 solar power plants, all of which they operate themselves, as well as 4 partnering hydroelectric plants. The rest of their electricity needs is acquired from the market but checked for proof of origin.

Obviously this only covers railway infrastructure in Austria as they have no influence over other countries.

Source in German: https://presse.oebb.at/dam/jcr:f87d6627-602c-47d6-bec7-f5682...

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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train travel is almost always the most expensive option compared to car, bus or plane alternatives. from a sustainability perspective an insanely lobsided state of affairs, the result of a century long of distorted incentives and policies. what could be more pleasant than being able to criss-cross Europe in night trains that are affordable, comfortable and sustainable? makes sense both for business and tourism. you c…

What you mean with expensive here? From the point of view of somebody who comutes daily, there is by far nothing cheaper than the 49 euro German ticket, similarly the Austrian climate ticket...

On commute distances with a monthly ticket, train has been competitive for a while, but longer distances are tough, especially if you’re multiple people.

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Don't take the ÖBB night-train from Zürich HB to Amsterdam and back. They sell you the premium package online with fancy pictures of their new trains but the train that shows up is an old 1970 rail car with both toilets locked (broken for weeks I found out), broken doors, broken heater, missing ladders, broken window blinds etc. At this time if they can't even clean the toilets then it is not worth the steep price. H…

We took the Zürich to Amsterdam connection on Thursday evening and were told that the couchette wagon that we had booked was not available once we were on the platform. It was replaced by an SBB first class coach. Those are usually nice but not for an 11 hour ride. Furthermore, the lights don't dim that much so it was hard to sleep. My pregnant wife resorted to sleep on the floor. The breakfast that comes with a couc…

Write them and list all that wasn't as advertised. It takes a long time for a reply and you will probably only get a coupon but the more people complain the more likely they will stop these shenanigans.

This is what I did and they gave me a coupon for at least part of what I paid but I have no use for it as I almost never travel to Austria.

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I love night trains. I’ve taken them from Warsaw to Prague, Prague to Zurich, and Verona to Paris. It’s by far my preferred option - you get a decent nights sleep and whilst the tickets are more expensive it’s one fewer nights in a hotel which normally offsets it. I still really want to do the two in the UK, the Caledonian Sleeper and the Night Riviera.

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train travel is almost always the most expensive option compared to car, bus or plane alternatives. from a sustainability perspective an insanely lobsided state of affairs, the result of a century long of distorted incentives and policies. what could be more pleasant than being able to criss-cross Europe in night trains that are affordable, comfortable and sustainable? makes sense both for business and tourism. you c…

>what could be more pleasant than being able to criss-cross Europe in night trains that are affordable, comfortable and sustainable?

Doing it by plane at a fraction of the time and cost.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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train travel is almost always the most expensive option compared to car, bus or plane alternatives. from a sustainability perspective an insanely lobsided state of affairs, the result of a century long of distorted incentives and policies. what could be more pleasant than being able to criss-cross Europe in night trains that are affordable, comfortable and sustainable? makes sense both for business and tourism. you c…

What you mean with expensive here? From the point of view of somebody who comutes daily, there is by far nothing cheaper than the 49 euro German ticket, similarly the Austrian climate ticket...

daily commute is a fairly different story. Night trains are about mid-range distances (say ~500 km) where you might also cross country borders.
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