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No.
lots of people beg to differ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b15-P12gIf0&t=80s&pp=2AFQkAI... [its bond/connery with the fry]
Vocal fry register
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> I think the most annoying thing is that it's clear it's being done on purpose for some reason. I know she can talk normally and I know I can talk like her, so why is she choosing to talk like that? This is like complaining someone speaks with a certain accent. Sure, we can all change how we speak, but we speak and certain way and there is nothing wrong with it.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I merely said I find it annoying. Am I not allowed to reflect on what I find annoying? And yes, I do find certain accents annoying too, but my feeling is it's much harder to change one's accent than it is to not do vocal fry. I can't change my accent at will, but I can certainly do vocal fry.
You can of course find anything annoying. But you said that it's annoying that people choose to do this, and you called speaking without vocal fry "speaking normally", implying that it's somehow wrong/abnormal and they should stop. Similarly, it's perfectly OK to find some accent annoying, but it's not OK to say that you wish people would stop using their accent and "speak normally".
And while of course you can do vocal fry or not, once you've established a pattern of speech, it's very hard to change. You can try speaking a whole day only with vocal fry and see how often you'll slip back to your regular speech pattern, and just how weird it will sound to you. Or try saying "aboot" instead of "about" for a whole day, if vocal fry sounds too annoying to you to try out (which, again, you're perfectly entitled to). Either way, the discomfort you'll feel trying to change your speech is exactly the same discomfort someone like your colleague would feel.
Re: Vocal fry register
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#44Worst part is once you learn what the Vocal Fry sounds like, you will start hear it literally everywhere. At best, it was interesting to recognize in the real world; at worst, it ruined some podcast hosts for me.
It can be used to great effect. This old song serves as a great example of vocal fry and also a great lesson on caring about it/getting aggravated by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
I’m never going to unhear the vocal fry in that song, which I had never noticed before. Your comment should have come with some sort of spoiler alert…haha. Unfashionable opinion (for my generation): I love(d) that song.
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Lots and lots of men speak almost exclusively in vocal fry, why is it so strongly associated with the Kardashians? Go listen to Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman.
This video tries to explain the issue, with examples: https://youtu.be/Q0yL2GezneU?si=YfHHJXtVYWvqgFlD
This was a brilliant video. Great story-telling, livened up with a mash-up approach. For Brits there is a major plot twist at about 12”30.
Thanks for posting. Made my morning.
Re: Vocal fry register
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> I think the most annoying thing is that it's clear it's being done on purpose for some reason. I know she can talk normally and I know I can talk like her, so why is she choosing to talk like that? This is like complaining someone speaks with a certain accent. Sure, we can all change how we speak, but we speak and certain way and there is nothing wrong with it.
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I merely said I find it annoying. Am I not allowed to reflect on what I find annoying? And yes, I do find certain accents annoying too, but my feeling is it's much harder to change one's accent than it is to not do vocal fry. I can't change my accent at will, but I can certainly do vocal fry.
Vocal fry is very common in Finnish. I would consider it to be part of a person's accent just like their vowel shapes.
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It can be used to great effect. This old song serves as a great example of vocal fry and also a great lesson on caring about it/getting aggravated by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo
I’m never going to unhear the vocal fry in that song, which I had never noticed before. Your comment should have come with some sort of spoiler alert…haha. Unfashionable opinion (for my generation): I love(d) that song.
That sentiment is exactly why I chose this specific song, with reference to lyrics as well, and with no advance warning. If you are telling yourself to dislike something you previously liked, then I can see you're out of aces, should fold 'em, and walk away.
Try singing it like he does, fry and all. It's fun and sounds pretty good.
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Lots and lots of men speak almost exclusively in vocal fry, why is it so strongly associated with the Kardashians? Go listen to Jeremy Irons or Alan Rickman.
Honestly it's probably misogyny. There are some women we are supposed to hate who use it, so therefore it's bad to use it.
conflating disliking the way the Kardashian ladies speak and misogyny is extremely wrong-headed.
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It sounds like people aren't putting into the effort to speak. It's the vocal version of the intentional bored look. Some people have it at full volume and speed and that's just their voice. But a lot of people (and fewer men) it's not their real voice, but an affectation. We get to have opinions on people's affectations still, right?
The point is that vocal fry, even when it is an affectation and not just your normal speech, used to be seen as a marker of eloquence and high class. British actors, male ones, used vocal fry extensively. Sean Connery's James Bond uses it in the famous "Bond. James Bond" introduction [0], for just one example. Or listen to William F Buckley, an American high class conservative (buffoon that presented as an intellectu…
And compare it to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfJn1kcQuU
It's not even close to the same thing. It is what's going on in my link that's annoying as hell where Buckley and Connery might meet some technical definition of it, it is currently being put on to get across that "I'm bored with everything", which is annoying as hell when being spoken to.
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The point is that vocal fry, even when it is an affectation and not just your normal speech, used to be seen as a marker of eloquence and high class. British actors, male ones, used vocal fry extensively. Sean Connery's James Bond uses it in the famous "Bond. James Bond" introduction [0], for just one example. Or listen to William F Buckley, an American high class conservative (buffoon that presented as an intellectu…
And compare it to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfJn1kcQuU It's not even close to the same thing. It is what's going on in my link that's annoying as hell where Buckley and Connery might meet some technical definition of it, it is currently being put on to get across that "I'm bored with everything", which is annoying as hell when being spoken to.
You're asking me to compare an actual speech pattern of actual people with actors portraying a stereotype...
Either way, it sounds like you hate a particular attitude which may be meant to convey a certain kind of ironic detachment, just like you would hate people rolling their eyes. You don't actually hate vocal fry, you just hate it when people use it to convey annoyance/boredom at you.
Unfortunately, you may end up associating vocal fry in general, which is simply a speech pattern, to that particular use of it. And this is a problem, since lots of people use vocal fry as a normal part of their speech, no different from their automatic choice of pronouncing certain vowels as short or long.