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Marco Rubio, the senator pushing for this, received 250k from SoftBank in 2022.
I'm sorry, I'm not following. What does receiving money from SoftBank in particular imply?
SoftBank owns ARM (or owned at that time).
RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war
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#112Re: RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war
#113I’m wondering which technology they mean? It doesn’t seem to be in the article. Surely not RISC-V instruction formats? That’s just the API. It doesn’t seem like the hard part of making a chip?
>That’s just the API. It doesn’t seem like the hard part of making a chip?
When I look at the number of x86 competitors, I'm pretty sure that is the hardest part by far...
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#114What happened to “May the best player win”? The US can throw a fit, but technology is inherently human and RISC-V is an open instruction format. Sooner or later China will get a powerful working chip. Not in the best interest of US to be an enemy of a billion person nation. Esp the nation that is the world’s factory. When China couldn’t supply PPP gear in Covid, 100s of thousands died. I’d rather wish our Senators wo…
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
The C910 is one of the most popular RISC-V processor designs and it is open source and from China.
Re: RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war
#115What happened to “May the best player win”? The US can throw a fit, but technology is inherently human and RISC-V is an open instruction format. Sooner or later China will get a powerful working chip. Not in the best interest of US to be an enemy of a billion person nation. Esp the nation that is the world’s factory. When China couldn’t supply PPP gear in Covid, 100s of thousands died. I’d rather wish our Senators wo…
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
> China doesn't invest and open source anything
I actually wrote a blog on that (2019)
Re: RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war
#116What happened to “May the best player win”? The US can throw a fit, but technology is inherently human and RISC-V is an open instruction format. Sooner or later China will get a powerful working chip. Not in the best interest of US to be an enemy of a billion person nation. Esp the nation that is the world’s factory. When China couldn’t supply PPP gear in Covid, 100s of thousands died. I’d rather wish our Senators wo…
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
Literally every open source RISC-V Chip, SoC and Board I know are Chinese, aside from SiFive. Alibaba T-Head Xuantie C9-series and E9-series CPU cores, StarFive JH7110 SoC, Alibaba T-Head TH1520 SoC, SOPHON SG2042 SoC, StarFive JH8100 SoC (TBA), several RISC-V boards from Milk-V, BananaPi and SiPeed which are state of the art RISC-V boards.
I think US are the ones doing less.
Edit: Just realized SiFive was US based, not Chinese, so edited it out.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
Literally every open source RISC-V Chip, SoC and Board I know are Chinese, aside from SiFive. Alibaba T-Head Xuantie C9-series and E9-series CPU cores, StarFive JH7110 SoC, Alibaba T-Head TH1520 SoC, SOPHON SG2042 SoC, StarFive JH8100 SoC (TBA), several RISC-V boards from Milk-V, BananaPi and SiPeed which are state of the art RISC-V boards. I think US are the ones doing less. Edit: Just realized SiFive was US based,…
And the Chinese says thank you Uncle Sam for giving us RISC-V for free.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
> China doesn't invest and open source anything I actually wrote a blog on that (2019) https://blog.est.im/201906/stdout-003
Let me know when you have an example of an open source Chinese industry standard, essentially subsidized by the Chinese government. The only example I can think of is Beidou, which nobody uses.
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I'm saying the opposite.
I know, but there's certainly bits of US CPUs that are not publicly discoverable - and past pressure from US government agencies for backdoors into systems Ideally we should be building systems that are open enough to be able to tell these things, certainly if we want to trust a system then all the boot code, from the first instruction should be public - whether it's built in China or the US
That's what I was alluding to in the first place.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
What happened to the level playing field? China doesn't invest and open source anything, why should the US subsidize their technological advancement?
Literally every open source RISC-V Chip, SoC and Board I know are Chinese, aside from SiFive. Alibaba T-Head Xuantie C9-series and E9-series CPU cores, StarFive JH7110 SoC, Alibaba T-Head TH1520 SoC, SOPHON SG2042 SoC, StarFive JH8100 SoC (TBA), several RISC-V boards from Milk-V, BananaPi and SiPeed which are state of the art RISC-V boards. I think US are the ones doing less. Edit: Just realized SiFive was US based,…
I thought SiFive is actually one of the best though?
Espressif has a bunch of Risc-V designs too. Not high performance but easy to find and use.