How to compete with Patreon
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How to compete with Patreon
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Re: How to compete with Patreon
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#3I am actually developing a platform to compete with pateon. And the author is quite naive in his complaints.
You cannot do business and be anonymous. The tax man would eat you alive. At least outside of USA. You also need a license as sole proprietor or be incorporated as a company in order to make repetitive sales and not one-offs. So again, no anonymity whatsoever.
"by works" payment model is illegal. You can receive donations or have subscriptions or pay per view but you cannot "maybe deliver", "deliver maybe one work, maybe ten". Again, illegal as fuck.
"Non quid pro quo patronage" - again, donations solve this. They are legal and easy without any hustle, as long as the payee is aware what is the purpose of that payment.
"api / audience relation system" - well, i am trying to run a business, why in the world would i give api access to third parties without being able to monetize it? each api call costs me resources. nothing is free. not to mention that giving access to api might go against my financial business altogether by moving some financial transactions out of my business into foreign business that is monetizing my api.
Author is very naive in his complaints in general. The red tape you have to go through these days for a simple(it's not a rocket science) website is astronomical. The technological issues(like finding a bank with an actual api that works and does not charge you per payment is close to impossible) too are unending hurdles being thrown at you form left and right and the bigtech-monopolized internet does not want you in it competing with their services or NOT using their services and infrastructure to build yours. You think streaming video is free? Try finding a place to host the video and send it over the network for amount that your income can cover and allow you still to make a profit. Good luck.
Yes, i have solved all these issues. But it is so damn hard, that these complaints don't even scratch the surface of how impossible it is to start something serious in this monopolized era of the internet and red tape. You just have no idea. You don't.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#4I am actually developing a platform to compete with pateon. And the author is quite naive in his complaints. You cannot do business and be anonymous. The tax man would eat you alive. At least outside of USA. You also need a license as sole proprietor or be incorporated as a company in order to make repetitive sales and not one-offs. So again, no anonymity whatsoever. "by works" payment model is illegal. You can recei…
If someone thinks they can have a competitive edge against existing market leader by 1) have an API 2) make UI faster, they probably lived in an echo chamber for too long and really need to spend more time with non-developer people.
Perhaps their other points are valid. Admittedly I don't know enough to tell.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#5I think the real answer may be that patreon is, actually, a bad business; and that nobody has cracked microtransactions.
Separately, while Patreon's charging changes seem boneheaded, I'd guess at least a 50% chance that they weren't driven by stupidity but rather by a CFO having a come to jesus conversation with the e-team. Driven by the fact that microtransactions run on a credit card are tough.
Their giant raises make more sense if they were eating a ton of fees in an attempt to hold out for scale where enough people (eg I spend $20-ish/mo on patreon) charge enough money that the 5% covers the processing fees.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#6I am actually developing a platform to compete with pateon. And the author is quite naive in his complaints. You cannot do business and be anonymous. The tax man would eat you alive. At least outside of USA. You also need a license as sole proprietor or be incorporated as a company in order to make repetitive sales and not one-offs. So again, no anonymity whatsoever. "by works" payment model is illegal. You can recei…
> "by works" payment model is illegal. You can receive donations or have subscriptions or pay per view but you cannot "maybe deliver", "deliver maybe one work, maybe ten". Again, illegal as fuck.
How can Patreon allow it then? It's a real, existing thing. If you don't deliver, you don't get paid.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#7I am actually developing a platform to compete with pateon. And the author is quite naive in his complaints. You cannot do business and be anonymous. The tax man would eat you alive. At least outside of USA. You also need a license as sole proprietor or be incorporated as a company in order to make repetitive sales and not one-offs. So again, no anonymity whatsoever. "by works" payment model is illegal. You can recei…
One note, I don’t think the author is saying that the person should be anonymous but rather the way they talk to their audience should be. In the backend they will be known but for the audience they have a specific name that doesn’t have to be their full government name.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#8OP missed the elephant in the room. Patreon is the only platform that allows you to launder softcore (nothing explicit from in front of a camera) NSFW content with legitimate payments. There is an incredible amount of erotic artwork, drawings etc. that are sold through Patreon instead of having to resort to niche adult video site payment processors.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#9I am actually developing a platform to compete with pateon. And the author is quite naive in his complaints. You cannot do business and be anonymous. The tax man would eat you alive. At least outside of USA. You also need a license as sole proprietor or be incorporated as a company in order to make repetitive sales and not one-offs. So again, no anonymity whatsoever. "by works" payment model is illegal. You can recei…
> "by works" payment model is illegal. You can receive donations or have subscriptions or pay per view but you cannot "maybe deliver", "deliver maybe one work, maybe ten". Again, illegal as fuck. How can Patreon allow it then? It's a real, existing thing. If you don't deliver, you don't get paid.
in that case, maybe i did not properly understood how the author describes that model.
Re: How to compete with Patreon
#10I think the real answer may be that patreon is, actually, a bad business; and that nobody has cracked microtransactions. Separately, while Patreon's charging changes seem boneheaded, I'd guess at least a 50% chance that they weren't driven by stupidity but rather by a CFO having a come to jesus conversation with the e-team. Driven by the fact that microtransactions run on a credit card are tough. Their giant raises m…
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