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Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by 0dayz » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 7:11 PM UTC

throwaway10507 wrote: post #32

0dayz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is as democratic as your average EU country. Or have you skipped voting in the EU elections?

How do EU parliament elections help you choose the EU commission members? In your average EU country the elected parliament chooses the government. Not in EU.

It functions exactly the same as an average EU country, you vote for a party, which have a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed government (which is handpicked by political parties).

In the EU it works exactly the same: you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member state and is handpicked by the council of European Union, i.e. your ELECTED state ministers)[1][2].

Can the EU become more democratic? Absolutely, but that will be at the expense of EU member state's sovereignty, which is why it looks like it does right now.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union#...

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by tjrgergw » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 8:34 PM UTC

throwaway290 wrote: post #40

FpUser wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet. Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 12:14 AM UTC

tjrgergw wrote: post #42

throwaway290 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?

No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic:

> If you feel need to argue you are not winning

Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by FpUser » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 1:03 AM UTC

throwaway290 wrote: post #40

FpUser wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet. Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by FpUser » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 1:05 AM UTC

throwaway290 wrote: post #43

tjrgergw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?

No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic: > If you feel need to argue you are not winning Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.

You have some pretty wild imagination. Not my logic at all.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by throwaway10507 » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 2:06 AM UTC

0dayz wrote: post #41

throwaway10507 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do EU parliament elections help you choose the EU commission members? In your average EU country the elected parliament chooses the government. Not in EU.

It functions exactly the same as an average EU country, you vote for a party, which have a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed government (which is handpicked by political parties). In the EU it works exactly the same: you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member stat…

You have just confirmed my point.

There is no EU country that has a Council like that. Heads of state very often don't represent the majority of a country.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by throwaway290 » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 7:34 AM UTC

FpUser wrote: post #44

throwaway290 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA? But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.

Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.

Re: The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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Post by 0dayz » Sun, Oct 08, 2023, 2:41 PM UTC

throwaway10507 wrote: post #46

0dayz wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It functions exactly the same as an average EU country, you vote for a party, which have a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed government (which is handpicked by political parties). In the EU it works exactly the same: you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member stat…

You have just confirmed my point. There is no EU country that has a Council like that. Heads of state very often don't represent the majority of a country.

>You have just confirmed my point.

No all you've shown is that you did not read my sources nor my comment.

As is shown by you confusing the Council of European Union and the European Council.

Not only that, but you show no real evidence of knowing even how elections with in EU countries, since EU member states, with the exception of hungary, all have a council deciding who will be a nominee for their version of a commission, the only small difference is that these councils are unofficial in EU member states as it is a matter of political party/coalition concern and not a national concern, as IS the case with the EU.

So if anything EU is more "official" in being a democracy than even member states, when it comes to transparency of deciding the nominees for various positions, something NOT official in average EU member states.