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The glass at McCormick Place in Chicago is a lethal obstacle for birds

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Toronto has had bird-friendly design guidelines since 2007. Surprised Chicago still hasn’t implemented a solution. https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/planning-development/...

Wow only a few cities have replicated this. Is the associated cost of designing bird friendly buildings cost prohibitive? If so, need regulation to enforce this at state/local levels.

it's not cost prohibitive if you pay for it. but it's more expensive by a lot

Re: The glass at McCormick Place in Chicago is a lethal obstacle for birds

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A few years ago, my wife was taking photos of spectral lines of a mercury lamp with our normal camera and she noticed an additional line in the photo. It was an UV line that was visible by the camera but not by the eye. [IIRC a Cannon camera, not very expensive or fancy. It was very good taking photos of dark rooms during birthdays.] Edit: Fixed typo IV -> UV

> It was an IV line that was visible by the camera but not by the eye. If you can't see infraviolet, consider taking a colorblind test.

Since we're all being pedantic: infrared is also infraviolet

Re: The glass at McCormick Place in Chicago is a lethal obstacle for birds

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Mildly related anecdote: At one job, we had an expensive office built out as our company grew. The CEO and CTO came in from out of town to do the ribbon cutting so to speak and welcome us to our new office. I was there as a manager doing setup before we moved the main workforce into the new office, and the CTO came through the kitchen to talk to me, and smashed his face right into a glass wall. Broke his nose and had…

When Apple Park first started migrating teams a number of people walked into the glass doors in the hallways. They pretty quickly put up little markers on the glass. It was still a stupid design not built for humans.

Did Apple use low-iron glass, as they do at the retail outlets? That eliminates the greenish tint in thick glass and is harder to see.

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Mildly related anecdote: At one job, we had an expensive office built out as our company grew. The CEO and CTO came in from out of town to do the ribbon cutting so to speak and welcome us to our new office. I was there as a manager doing setup before we moved the main workforce into the new office, and the CTO came through the kitchen to talk to me, and smashed his face right into a glass wall. Broke his nose and had…

When Apple Park first started migrating teams a number of people walked into the glass doors in the hallways. They pretty quickly put up little markers on the glass. It was still a stupid design not built for humans.

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Re: The glass at McCormick Place in Chicago is a lethal obstacle for birds

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...and - with apologies to all HN cat owners - I feel we might want to put building lethality into context by recalling that:

"free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals [in the USA] annually"

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

Re: The glass at McCormick Place in Chicago is a lethal obstacle for birds

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...and - with apologies to all HN cat owners - I feel we might want to put building lethality into context by recalling that: "free-ranging domestic cats kill 1.3–4.0 billion birds and 6.3–22.3 billion mammals [in the USA] annually" https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380

I side with the cats :)

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/08/06/dont-blame-cats-for-d...

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When Apple Park first started migrating teams a number of people walked into the glass doors in the hallways. They pretty quickly put up little markers on the glass. It was still a stupid design not built for humans.

People adapt and become less human... There must be a weird sort of anxiety to walk around and be extra cautious that reality can suddenly turn into a glass wall.

I once ran into a glass door in my house a few years back. For months after that, I had anxiety and "flashback" like replays of the event when walking anywhere near that door/area in my house. That one incident affected the functioning of my brain for a really long time, it was quite jarring.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Apple Park first started migrating teams a number of people walked into the glass doors in the hallways. They pretty quickly put up little markers on the glass. It was still a stupid design not built for humans.

Did Apple use low-iron glass, as they do at the retail outlets? That eliminates the greenish tint in thick glass and is harder to see.

The glass was very transparent/untinted so I'd guess they did. Inside the atriums between sections don't have any tint from the glass or at least it's not noticeable.

When my group first moved in the glass was ridiculously hard to see between the sections. It was made more confusing because the doorways had four panes of glass but only the center two panes were doors. It was easy early on to think the outermost lanes were also doors. IIRC (it's been a few years) one of the walkway runs didn't require badge access in the first few days so people could walk full speed into the doors without diverting to the badge reader on the wall.

I'm sure all of Apple Park looked amazing in AutoCAD fly-thrus or whatever but the experience in the building was kind of shitty. Some aspects were improvements over the building over off Infinite Loop but then a lot of aspects were hilariously form over function.

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