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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by medo-bear »

_susn wrote: post #815
medo-bear wrote: post #686

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Think about all the products you purchase. Do you really think that in each case, the CEO of the company behind that product has a "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? [I really doubt it.] But here we are concerned about personality quirks of a guy developing a valuable free product.

> "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion. But lets take what you said in good faith. I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting…

I think you are engaing in word throwing :)

So what if he has the signing keys? You can always build Graphene yourself

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by soulofmischief »

thebruce87m wrote: post #685
dlubarov wrote: post #673

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> why not do nothing and let the phones reboot Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern, and not just a fabricated excuse... it's better for Apple's reputation for old phones to be slow than to be flaky. With the former, people were assuming that Apple's shiny new OS required state-of-the-art hardware to run smoothly. It just appeared as if technology was advancing rapidly, and one had to buy the l…

> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs under high current. This isn’t unique to Apple, it’s just how batteries work.

The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by TeMPOraL »

rsynnott wrote: post #837
TeMPOraL wrote: post #776

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Either I'm having bad luck with phones, or Android flagships just don't have the longevity iPhones do. I can believe the latter, as this seems to be the common belief about all Apple devices relative to competition.

What’s wrong with them after four years?

Everything gets annoyingly slow.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by thebruce87m »

soulofmischief wrote: post #872
thebruce87m wrote: post #685

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> Assuming for the moment that reboots were a serious concern They still are. As a battery ages the internal resistance increases. This leads to brown-outs under high current. This isn’t unique to Apple, it’s just how batteries work.

The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.

The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by soulofmischief »

thebruce87m wrote: post #874
soulofmischief wrote: post #872

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The whole discussion is incredibly moot, because Apple should be shipping devices with more easily replaced batteries.

The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.

This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do.

Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by thebruce87m »

soulofmischief wrote: post #875
thebruce87m wrote: post #874

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The degradation would still happen. You want your car to go into limp home mode even if the part that failed is replaceable.

This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do. Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.

If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions?

The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by hyperhopper »

chaostheory wrote: post #804
hyperhopper wrote: post #559

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> No one is forcing you to buy anything you don’t want. Yes they are, by refusing to release security updates for older models. I don't want to buy a new phone, but likely will have to due to support ending so they can sell more high margin hardware.

The life cycle of Apple Phones for updates is 6 years. On Android, it’s about 2 - 6 years. If you don’t like the terms, go with a Linux distro phone. There is choice now.

For Google it's been consistently 3 years lately.

Also Linux distro phones aren't practical ways to participate in society unfortunately.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by soulofmischief »

thebruce87m wrote: post #876
soulofmischief wrote: post #875

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This issue would still have drastically different framing if the given reason was true and users had the freedom to easily replace batteries in old devices, as well as OS-level warning pop-ups which let the user know that it's time to replace a battery and that their phone will be slower until they do. Anything less is deceptive and anti-user.

If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions? The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.

It's quite easy to draw the conclusion that other alternatives were considered such as an easily-replaced battery, but Apple's management decided on a course of action which was plausible enough to be accepted without much further questioning, and wouldn't give the user back any freedoms, and would ultimately lead to more phone sales.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by thebruce87m »

soulofmischief wrote: post #878
thebruce87m wrote: post #876

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was true? All the evidence supports it. My wife’s phone was throttled and mine wasn’t. Replacing degraded batteries brought devices back to full speed. How can you draw any other conclusions? The only thing they have changed is that they now have the OS level pop ups, the feature still exists.

It's quite easy to draw the conclusion that other alternatives were considered such as an easily-replaced battery, but Apple's management decided on a course of action which was plausible enough to be accepted without much further questioning, and wouldn't give the user back any freedoms, and would ultimately lead to more phone sales.

I don’t subscribe to that at all. I see other manufacturers dropping support for their phones after one or two years and I see apple supporting them for a long time. They want to sell services and they want you to have a working phone to use them.

Apple get phone sales from me because of this stance.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by PaulHoule »

grepLeigh wrote: post #173

This is a meta comment, but I think it's extraordinary that we're only 15ish years from the first smartphone release and we've already reached the "boring" incremental improvement phase for these tiny pocket supercomputers. Consider how long it took PCs to reach the same stage (with a fraction of the adoption). It was like 20 years from Kenbak-1 to the 90s PC era.

The real PC revolution was when manufacturers were able to come out with a machine every two years that was much better than what they made two years ago. Machines like the Apple ][ and Atari 2600 lasted a lot longer than their makers thought because upgrading meant replacing all your software until the PC AT clones came around.
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