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Re: Brave layoffs

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This doesn’t bode well for Brave’s self professed mission [0]. Maintaining a Chrome fork is already difficult enough on its own, especially with the number of directions where Brave wants to diverge. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893654

If it doesn't, whats the best suggestion for another browser that is based on Webkit and which takes privacy seriously?

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I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

Firefox browser and engine is technical obsolete joke. Their sand-boxing security model, multi-threading, graphical libraries... Remember cancelled Servo rewrite, or the whole "multi-threaded" saga? Try to actually compile that bloody thing, before you write "software to be fully modifiable by any person using tools that are easily, freely available and accessible" Even Ubuntu team gave up on compiling their software…

Which extension authors are shady? I am mostly sticking to ublock origin, but this is the first time I hear that accusation.

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Full time jobs decreased, part time jobs increased. They added those together and declared a net positive job growth.

No: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t08.htm Full time jobs not only didn’t decrease, they increased more than part time jobs in actual terms. Part time jobs for economic reasons decreased while part time jobs for non economic reasons went up slightly.

You can calculate full/part time stuff from that page but it'd require a lot of number fidgeting. Keep in mind those values do not show grouped sums. Table 9 [1] is much more straight forward. Full time workers (in thousands) went from 134,189 to 134,167, part time workers went from 27,185 to 27,336. So a total of -22k full time jobs, and +151k part time jobs.

The big reported increase came from the establishment/business survey. That survey results in overcounting people working multiple jobs. And multiple job holders (also in table 9) jumped from 8,028 to 8,151, for 123k more people now working at least 2 jobs. So we saw a loss of full time jobs, a gain of part time jobs, and a gain of people working more than one job.

[1] - https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t09.htm

Re: Brave layoffs

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I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

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As much as dislike the major idea behind it that push ( build a system to get Trump out -- mildly ridiculous to focus entire company around that ), there was one idea in there that did make sense:

- Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.

I think that would change internet landscape a fair bit.

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Are they not using any Rust in the codebase at all? My impression was that they abandoned Servo but still rewrote parts in Rust.

Some big chunks of servo got moved into firefox, so it wasn't a complete loss. But it would have been better if servo kept going, even if it never became something you would daily drive and instead it just kept generating good ideas to be subsumed into firefox.

Servo is active again thanks to Igalia allocating a handful of full time engineers. They are making good progress especially on layout, so keep an eye on it!

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The AI wave is doing this, by which I mean it is finally separating the content and presentation of information and allowing the collation and reformatting of substance across multiple entities which today each have their own interfaces. For example, the entire idea that we visit specific websites and manually compare prices when buying things is ridiculous and misses huge parts of the benefits of using computers in…

That's because the pendulum hasn't swung back in that direction yet. By this time next year, it's likely that many of the popular LLM sites will slip in advertisements, pushing the agenda of whoever trained the models.

And the arms race starts all over again.

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> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

Isn't that because Firefox itself basically makes no money? I know about Google's deal with them but it seems like Mozilla is trying to diversify away from them.

The only thing Firefox users hate more than Mozilla taking money from Google is Mozilla making money from other sources. Why can't the Mozilla team just be ascetic hairshirts who make exactly the browser they want and bring XUL back while they're at it. /s

Re: Brave layoffs

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I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

You’re in the right mindset. I’d recommend a pivot from the “private citizen” persona to the “CTO persona”. As a CTO, I want a web browser based on open standards so that my company’s portfolio of products and internal business apps are protected from monopoly behavior by browser vendors.

Mozilla may have forgotten the CTO persona. CTOs can donate engineering hours to Mozilla. Companies can donate money. If companies in the Fortune 500 aren’t using Firefox internally and companies like Netflix aren’t recommending Firefox to users, then Mozilla will continue to struggle to get market share and sustain funding.

One key use case: Firefox used to make it easy to create corporate intranet apps (the apps teams at companies use to do work). However, Firefox security changes started breaking intranet apps by returning the “your connection is not secure” error and giving workers no way to override. This hurts CTOs so CTOs switch their companies to Edge & Chrome.

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> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

Just curious, would you need something completely new to show up, or would a well-funded, openly-governed fork of Firefox work?

Firefox (the underlying tech) is fine, the problem is the management. Fork away.

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Brave is fully open source, and actually defends its users privacy by default. While firefox still uses google, allows google ads and tracking, and just talks about doing something but does nothing Also chromium is just a superior engine, in security and speed, using firefox won't change Chromium dominance at all.

That's the same Brave that replaced links with their own profit bringing ad links? Riight.

This never happened as far as I can tell.
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