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Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by cbm-vic-20 »

fidotron wrote: post #58
flagrant_taco wrote: post #39

We aren't going to see browser competition unless and until we fundamentally rethink what the internet should be. The specifications are simply too complex to foster any meaningful competition. There's too much ground to cover playing catchup and Google has such a large market share that, combined with their data and ad monopoly, allows them to create new specs and features that focus entirely on growing their busine…

The AI wave is doing this, by which I mean it is finally separating the content and presentation of information and allowing the collation and reformatting of substance across multiple entities which today each have their own interfaces. For example, the entire idea that we visit specific websites and manually compare prices when buying things is ridiculous and misses huge parts of the benefits of using computers in…

That's because the pendulum hasn't swung back in that direction yet. By this time next year, it's likely that many of the popular LLM sites will slip in advertisements, pushing the agenda of whoever trained the models.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by VancouverMan »

malfist wrote: post #32
VancouverMan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Government employment increased by 73,000 jobs, driven by state government education and local government, excluding education. That part should raise serious questions about the validity of this metric. Any taxpayer-funded or debt-funded government "job" is not a creator of real (in the economic sense) wealth. Rather, such government "jobs" merely siphon off and consume real wealth generated by actually-productive…

Tell me about your plan to run and maintain a national network of highways without government "jobs"

Why do you mistakenly believe that government needs to be involved with something like that?

There's nothing overly special about an interstate-style highway network. It's essentially just a large number of roads covering a long distance that are connected together, with emphasis on driving speed.

The private sector is more than capable of planning, building, connecting, maintaining, and operating roads of all types, widths, and lengths.

I don't know where you are, but in Canada the various governments end up having to resort to the private sector anyway for highway-related projects.

It's government interference that prevents there from being more privately-build and operated highways. That's exactly the problem I was talking about in my earlier comment. Government "jobs" are dead weight on the real economy, only inhibiting those who are actually productive.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by anotherhue »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #25
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

https://browser.kagi.com/

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by sirwhinesalot »

anotherhue wrote: post #63
sirwhinesalot wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

https://browser.kagi.com/

Once it supports other platforms it can definitely be a good alternative!

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by tedivm »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #50
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. Is this a hypothesis that we can specify and test? Is this how we would approach this problem? It sounds more like a cynical write-off, not a actual strategy >I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that does not use Blink and isn't owned by a group of human-sh…

> Is this a hypothesis that we can specify and test? Is this how we would approach this problem? It sounds more like a cynical write-off, not a actual strategy There is nothing to test, it's why I stopped using Firefox. Check the Mozilla foundation page for all the crap they fund instead of the browser. Look how much the UI looks like Chrome, even little things like clicking the searchbar expanding it outside its bou…

Firing the Servo team was probably the dumbest thing they could have done.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by blinkingled »

zee234 wrote: post #52
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

Firefox browser and engine is technical obsolete joke. Their sand-boxing security model, multi-threading, graphical libraries... Remember cancelled Servo rewrite, or the whole "multi-threaded" saga? Try to actually compile that bloody thing, before you write "software to be fully modifiable by any person using tools that are easily, freely available and accessible" Even Ubuntu team gave up on compiling their software…

As someone who has built and lightly studied Firefox codebase out of pure curiosity this technical joke doesn't really ring remotely true. Sure it's an older codebase and Mozilla doesn't have enough funding manpower to do big rewrites but I don't remember Firefox crashing on me in recent times and I use it exclusively on Mac/Linux and Windows. No site compat issues either. So stop blowing smoke I guess and provide actual details on how it is a joke?

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by kdmccormick »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #25
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

Just curious, would you need something completely new to show up, or would a well-funded, openly-governed fork of Firefox work?

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by antiframe »

anotherhue wrote: post #63
sirwhinesalot wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

https://browser.kagi.com/

It doesn't have any builds for any open OS.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

iteratethis wrote: post #55
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

What is the difference between Brave taking Venture and Mozilla being subsidized by the ultimate enemy of privacy, Google? Mozilla has defunded Firefox, allows for no way to directly donate to Firefox development, and now writes activist blogs.

History

We know what Mozilla will do with it - not ideal but it's the devil we know

We have no idea what Brave will do with it

My personal heuristics around VC backed companies (Having been a CEO with venture backing, an LP in a venture fund, a director in a publicly traded company etc...) is the following:

There do not exist PE backed companies that will take actions that conflict with an even theoretical reduction in potential ROI.

Leaders lose long term control of their companies to VC the moment they sign the term sheet

So I have zero faith that anyone who aligns themselves to profit making, will not harm either the customers or the employees that are involved in favor for the people providing the capital.

Re: Brave layoffs

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Post by _y5hn »

sirwhinesalot wrote: post #25
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #19

I'm going to treat this like a product engineering discussion User Story: As a Private Citizen and Engineer, I want a graphical multi-input interface to load, view, interact with and post documents to remote and local HTTP servers ("web-browsing") on any personal computing device. I want web-browsing to have out of the box default security and privacy guardrails that are well documented can be disabled or modified by…

> Why aren't we collectively putting our time/effort etc.. into making Firefox the singular and best FOSS browser ever? Because the leadership is hellbent on copying Chrome but worse and investing in utterly pointless endeavors instead of making a good browser. It's a shame. Giving money to the Mozilla Foundation is the same as throwing it to a black hole. I hope a new truly FOSS browser shows up and catches on that…

Firefox have no way to support Tab Groups like any Chrome does by default. So is a no-go for me.

Any suggestion that Firefox do support Tab Groups will be met with ridicule. It just doesn't.

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