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Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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Does that mean you work with them? Can you tell us more about that?

I can’t go into specifics for obvious reasons, but I can tell you they’re a smart, capable crew, with lots of resources, and time is on their side. If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi, they’d be near the top, precisely because they’re exploring ideas that others don’t seem to be focusing on. It’s the early stages, so it’ll take a few years to get to results. But they’re laser-focused. There are a bunc…

How do people apply? They don't seem to have much of a web presence.

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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Their focus is long running digital intelligences that interact with their environment over long periods of time. I enjoyed reading The Alberta Plan when it was released earlier this year https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.11173

Ethics/privacy aside ... I wondered the other day what the result would be if you strapped a microphone on a baby and every utterance that both the baby and mic heard was fed through speech-to-text and went toward training the baby's personal LLM . By the time the child had grown to an adult I wonder what kind of results their LLM would produce and the degree to which it might compare to what the child (now grown) wo…

>I wondered the other day what the result would be if you strapped a microphone on a baby and every utterance that both the baby and mic heard was fed through speech-to-text and went toward training the baby's personal LLM.

I read about a paper[1] a while back, it was a rather unpleasant animal study in cats. Using two kittens, one was free to look around, but the other they immobilised in some way, and made it see what the other kitten saw as it looked around. They discovered the immobilised kitten's visual processing did not develop normally whereas the mobile kitten's did, suggesting that it's not just the sensory input, but it being feedback to some internal agency within the brain.

I suspect the same thing would be true for attempts to develop AGI by giving them an audio-visual copy of a human's environment growing up: that internal state driving (and getting feedback from) the action to investigate/interact with the world is key.

1: https://arxiv.org/abs/1604.03670 "Interactive Perception: Leveraging Action in Perception and Perception in Action"

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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> partnership to bring greater focus and urgency to the creation of artificial general intelligence (AGI) Why is this urgent?

> partnership to bring greater focus and urgency to the creation of artificial general intelligence (AGI)

>> Why is this urgent?

that's an understatement. The rush to AGI reminds me of the rush to human cloning.

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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Ethics/privacy aside ... I wondered the other day what the result would be if you strapped a microphone on a baby and every utterance that both the baby and mic heard was fed through speech-to-text and went toward training the baby's personal LLM . By the time the child had grown to an adult I wonder what kind of results their LLM would produce and the degree to which it might compare to what the child (now grown) wo…

I thought about this too. People say that LLM models are only saying the most common tokens that come after the previous token. And that this makes them incomparable to human intelligence. But Humans are basically long running LLMs that are retrained in real-time. We are the product of our environment.

What makes you think that? What we can LLMs are a specific architecture that literally does predict the next token, one at a time. This isn’t the only way to generate text. Perhaps humans use a method that synthesizes all the text at once. Or some other, unimaginable way.

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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> partnership to bring greater focus and urgency to the creation of artificial general intelligence (AGI) Why is this urgent?

Perhaps there is some belief in this that an AGI can save us from our biggest problems? Energy Crisis, Environmental Pollution, Waging Wars. But I agree with you ... it is not really urgent since we know answers for the most of the problems but do not like the solution.

>we know answers for the most of the problems but do not like the solution.

What an absolutely wonderful insight put extremely succinctly, thank you!

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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I can’t go into specifics for obvious reasons, but I can tell you they’re a smart, capable crew, with lots of resources, and time is on their side. If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi, they’d be near the top, precisely because they’re exploring ideas that others don’t seem to be focusing on. It’s the early stages, so it’ll take a few years to get to results. But they’re laser-focused. There are a bunc…

How do people apply? They don't seem to have much of a web presence.

I think he sources from people he knows, so your best bet is an intro.

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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I can’t go into specifics for obvious reasons, but I can tell you they’re a smart, capable crew, with lots of resources, and time is on their side. If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi, they’d be near the top, precisely because they’re exploring ideas that others don’t seem to be focusing on. It’s the early stages, so it’ll take a few years to get to results. But they’re laser-focused. There are a bunc…

How do people apply? They don't seem to have much of a web presence.

I'd accept a massive pay cut to work with such legends :/

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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I thought about this too. People say that LLM models are only saying the most common tokens that come after the previous token. And that this makes them incomparable to human intelligence. But Humans are basically long running LLMs that are retrained in real-time. We are the product of our environment.

What makes you think that? What we can LLMs are a specific architecture that literally does predict the next token, one at a time. This isn’t the only way to generate text. Perhaps humans use a method that synthesizes all the text at once. Or some other, unimaginable way.

Not sure about everyone else, but I write one word at a time.

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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Does that mean you work with them? Can you tell us more about that?

I can’t go into specifics for obvious reasons, but I can tell you they’re a smart, capable crew, with lots of resources, and time is on their side. If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi, they’d be near the top, precisely because they’re exploring ideas that others don’t seem to be focusing on. It’s the early stages, so it’ll take a few years to get to results. But they’re laser-focused. There are a bunc…

If I had to place bets on which lab will invent agi

I'd bet against "invent AGI" being a coherent or agreed upon thing, and I'd also bet against the "wake-up" scenario of a system saying "I'm AGI"

Which lab invented deep learning? Certainly U Toronto had the breakthrough that made a 30+ year old field exciting, but there was a lot of work in Montreal, NYU, Google, DeepMind, OpenAI, and many other places

Re: John Carmack and Rich Sutton partner to accelerate development of AGI

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I mean, an ant has signs of life yet you wouldn't call it sentient.

Why not? You're using a very bizzare conception of "sentience".

They're using the science fiction definition, which is "sapient" and has been around for years (unfortunately). https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sentient
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