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Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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My first thought was: what's to stop someone from waiting for some responses and then running over to Kayak to book once they know the best dates/airlines. But it looks like they take the finder's fee upfront. It would be nice if there were an option to only pay the finder's fee if someone significantly beats the best price you were able to find. Everyone does at least an _initial_ search to get an idea of price when…

I think so too. I have a flight coming up and was actually willing to try the service and pay the fee if the price found would be less than I usually pay for the trip. I went as far as entering the details and providing my email address. But as soon as I saw the request to pay, I closed the page. I have reasons to believe that the option I already have (and have used in the past) would be hard to beat. So I'm not wil…

I'm also willing to pay, but only once I know what I'm paying for. I can find the flight I want for (say) $500. If this service can get it to me for $400, great! But I'm only going to enter my credit card details _after_ that's been established. Otherwise, what if your "experts" can only find something for $480? Or $525?

This seems totally self-evident to me. Maybe I missed something.

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think so too. I have a flight coming up and was actually willing to try the service and pay the fee if the price found would be less than I usually pay for the trip. I went as far as entering the details and providing my email address. But as soon as I saw the request to pay, I closed the page. I have reasons to believe that the option I already have (and have used in the past) would be hard to beat. So I'm not wil…

I'm also willing to pay, but only once I know what I'm paying for. I can find the flight I want for (say) $500. If this service can get it to me for $400, great! But I'm only going to enter my credit card details _after_ that's been established. Otherwise, what if your "experts" can only find something for $480? Or $525? This seems totally self-evident to me. Maybe I missed something.

Hi redbad,

Keep in mind that real people are searching on the other end, so there needs to be a balance between expended effort and income. We tried what you're suggesting, but it just didn't work.

As per your example, let's say I find a flight for $400. Would you pay without seeing details? If not, would you paying seeing the details, but without booking instructions? If not, would you pay after booking even if it meant the hassel of returning to our site, pulling out your CC details and then paying?

Our experience is that only a fraction of people will pay in this scenario.

This aside, we are targeting people who we can help the most. That is, people flying to remote places, or on complex itineraries, or who just want to absolve themselves of the stress. In our testing, these people have no problem paying up front. And if they're not happy, we do everything we can to help.

The real challenge of this business is managing the interactions between the two sides of our marketplace. Most of our early assumptions were proven false. :)

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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My first thought was: what's to stop someone from waiting for some responses and then running over to Kayak to book once they know the best dates/airlines. But it looks like they take the finder's fee upfront. It would be nice if there were an option to only pay the finder's fee if someone significantly beats the best price you were able to find. Everyone does at least an _initial_ search to get an idea of price when…

While I like the idea, I can see this as a problem too. Those who want a peace of mind booking are probably running their flights on corporate accounts, are miles collecting or have established flight booking relationships. And price sensitive customers are most likely going to try finding the best deal themselves. Maybe the best way to solve that would be to give for 24h a best-price guarantee. Just for the "peace o…

Hi stfu, thanks for the comment...

Consider these simple examples:

* Flying for the first time to Australia. Expedia gives you a price from Sydney to Perth for $500. Unbeknownst to you, there's a discount airline called "XXXXX" who does this leg for $150. Sure you could find it if you searched enough, but why not just pay $29 to crowd-source it? Most travel agents will not volunteer budget airlines, neither will many OTAs.

* You're flying from Buenos Aires to Toronto. It's Xmas and Kayak is quoting $1400. You can't find better anywhere and seats are disappearing fast. You put up a contest for $29 and an expert suggests booking to Ottawa and hopping off in Toronto to save over $400 each. They also suggest going to Montreal instead, paying $40 for a bus, and saving $900 each. Again, you could work this out yourself eventually, but why not just pay $29?

Consider these edge-case examples:

* You are relocating to another country but need to take your 3 cats. It will take you 5+ hours to find out exactly how to transport your cats. There are lots of regulations, especially when flying during winter. Why not just pay $29 and get someone who's flown with pets to save you many hours. (This is a real example from Flightfox.)

* You are flying with a group of 20 people from the US to Australia. You pay $29 and an expert gets in contact with an agent who has specific consolidated stock with an airline. You save $600 per person compared to the absolute cheapest price online. (This is a real example from Flightfox.)

Then of course there's premium class and using FF points. We've saved $5,000+ on exactly the same flights for business class travellers. Also, people don't realise the power of FF points. You can get RTW for 140k. But most people use 120k for simple return flights. If they do 2x return coach flights with FF points, they could almost have booked a RTW in _business class_ and flown many more segments than the 2 flights put together.

We love this stuff! Can you tell? :)

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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I think this seems like a fantastic idea. I really hope it continues to expand. I am taking the family on a US domestic trip in a few months and have already started the process of flight-searching. I'd be willing to try out something like this, even just for the novelty. However, with so many international flights, the list inadvertently seemed to alienate simple domestic flights. I wanted to see more examples of my…

Many thanks bullseye.

If you think you could get value from experts do the searching and giving suggestions, then give it a try and we'll refund you if you aren't satisfied. But if you're just flying between two large cities, you really are better off going to AA, Southwest or whomever.

Flying domestic in your home country really is not the best use of Flightfox. You know all the airlines, you've heard the anecdotes regarding cheap prices, and prices are already low for domestic.

On the other hand, if you fly RTW, to a different continent, using FF points, to many cities, etc, the expert skill and local knowledge of our experts can save you a small fortune.

Hope that helps.

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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As a potential expert/buyer, I'd love to see what the results look like (and the comments on the entries as well), but it looks like those can only be viewed by the contest owner. Any way to post some examples? (and who is this MrHyde fellow who wins everything?)

Hey joshwa,

The experts tend to keep their methods to themselves. Some have trade secrets, but in the simplest cases, it takes time to find the best airports and connections, so they'd rather not share the info. They've even suggested we hide the dates because it takes time to find the cheapest dates when someone has flexibility.

MrHyde is relatively new. The winners go in waves. As you can imagine, our experts keep flying around the world and neglecting Flightfox :)

I just added detailed examples to another comment on this page. Please see below (or above).

Most of the best examples involve better routing, special offers or FF points. We've saved people $10k+ on group bookings, $5k+ on premium class, $1k+ on multi-city, etc, etc, etc. And in one case, a customer beat our experts by $700 by finding a glitch on Expedia. Of course we refunded him and offered a free contest if he dared to return.

On average, we save people 20%+ on long-haul multi-city flights. This isn't a guarantee, but the results from a test we ran on real flight contests.

We have a lot of work to do to find the best balance between the amount of info we show. We're looking for another engineer right now in the hope of being able to iterate much more quickly.

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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This is so useful. I noticed their flexibility options are the usual +/- n days, but it would be more useful for me if there was an option to only + or - but not both. For example, let's say you want to leave on the 7th, but the 8th and 9th are doable, just less ideal because you'll have one or two days fewer to spend at your destination. With the current system you'd have to choose the 8th and then say +/- 1, which screws you over if the finders try their hardest to get the exact day you requested.

I just discovered you need to pay the finder's fee in advance. While this might get more finders to use the site because they won't be afraid of their efforts going to waste, this is going to deter a lot of customers who are still shopping around and only want to fly if they can get a better rate than they expected.

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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Make this for group travel arrangements and you will be golden. Personal travel is good enough right now, but the hassles of group traveling still exists. I would definitely pay you a finders fee to book a cheaper Vegas trip for my 10 friends.

Awesome work and best of luck!

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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This needs a little more automation (maybe a tie-in with Expedia/Kayak/whatever) so that the flight can be booked and verified booked.

Here's my problem (going with one of the examples quoted, flying from Buenes Aires to Toronto): one of the suggestions is to fly to Montreal and take a bus. But what if I _don't_ want the hassle of going from airport to greyhound to bus, only to be dropped into the middle of T'o in the middle of the night? As it stands currently, I can get a refund only if I can find a cheaper flight; but in many cases it's hard to beat the price of a shitty flight + slumming it for 12 hours on the road. So you're SOL.

A better solution, IMHO, is to offer the option of booking right there. Then you can also verify if the expert's suggested itinerary is valid or not. Then you also know that the customer booked and the 'expert' can get paid. What about abuse, you say? Three strikes and you're out: if a person puts up a bounty and doesn't book the flight 3 times, just kick 'em out.

Re: Crowd-Sourced Flight Search

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This needs a little more automation (maybe a tie-in with Expedia/Kayak/whatever) so that the flight can be booked and verified booked. Here's my problem (going with one of the examples quoted, flying from Buenes Aires to Toronto): one of the suggestions is to fly to Montreal and take a bus. But what if I _don't_ want the hassle of going from airport to greyhound to bus, only to be dropped into the middle of T'o in th…

Here's my problem (going with one of the examples quoted, flying from Buenes Aires to Toronto): one of the suggestions is to fly to Montreal and take a bus. But what if I _don't_ want the hassle of going from airport to greyhound to bus, only to be dropped into the middle of T'o in the middle of the night? As it stands currently, I can get a refund only if I can find a cheaper flight; but in many cases it's hard to beat the price of a shitty flight + slumming it for 12 hours on the road. So you're SOL.

That seems to be accounted for with the three 'flexibility' questions contest creators are asked; whether they will fly with any airline including discount airlines, whether they'll consider ground transport to nearby airports, and whether they'll consider multiple stops and long layover times, respectively.

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