RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war

Post by throw9away6 » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 3:19 AM UTC

igravious wrote: post #48

samtheprogram wrote: post #39

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> FWIW, I imagine in 4-5 years this “battle” will pretty much already be decided wrt chipmaking in China. If I'm understanding you correctly... It's not that easy for China (or the US) to spin up their own fabs, particularly ones that compete to those in Taiwan. Even with some expertise and fat pockets, you might not get the same results. It's a lot of trial and error and improving yield for small processes to the po…

“China is expected to outnumber all other regions in new chip manufacturing facilities, with 20 supporting mature technologies planned.” https://www.semi.org/en/news-media-press-releases/semi-press... Why is it not easy for China to spin up their own fabs? They have a strategic plan / industrial policy[1]. They have the industrial base[2][3]. They have pumping out engineering graduates[3]. † [1] https://en.wikipedia.…

Post by mardifoufs » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 3:52 AM UTC

DiabloD3 wrote: post #25

fuoqi wrote: post #20

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>American made While it indeed has American roots and a huge amount of development is done today by American citizens, various people and companies from China, India, Japan, South Korea, Russia, and many European countries have significant contributions as well. >American owned design Nope. It's "owned" by the RISC-V International Association registered in Switzerland.

I've looked into the "why" of that, since I, too, wondered why a design that comes from the University of Berkeley (the home of BSD) lives there: international legal protection and tax reasons. That said, because of that, you could also say it belongs to the entire world, equally, and I would be happy with that description as well; but politicians don't really understand those words, and only think in terms of tribal…

Post by petre » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 3:56 AM UTC

photonbeam wrote: post #47

Seems like the ARM lobbyists are making moves

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 4:11 AM UTC

mvncleaninst wrote: post #14

> "I fear that our export-control laws are not equipped to deal with the challenge of open-source software - whether in advanced semiconductor designs like RISC-V or in the area of AI - and a dramatic paradigm shift is needed," Warner said in a statement to Reuters. This is clearly an attack on open source. Seems incredibly odd that they use the word "export" to refer to information (that is to say: speech) I really…

Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 07, 2023, 4:13 AM UTC

WiSaGaN wrote: post #23

It's puzzling to read the statement that China "abuses" open technology not controlled by a country or a business entity. China's contribution to RISC-V, as well as that of other countries, is not restricted and can be freely used by anyone and any country. If this kind of sabotage against open technologies by the US because the "CCP uses it" truly materializes, it would mark a significant decline in the US spirit, w…