Well, fuck.
RISC-V chip technology emerges as new battleground in US-China tech war
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#32> "I fear that our export-control laws are not equipped to deal with the challenge of open-source software - whether in advanced semiconductor designs like RISC-V or in the area of AI - and a dramatic paradigm shift is needed," Warner said in a statement to Reuters. This is clearly an attack on open source. Seems incredibly odd that they use the word "export" to refer to information (that is to say: speech) I really…
They’ve done this before, famously with encryption software.
prz and djb did great work to stop it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States
> After four years and one regulatory change, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that software source code was speech protected by the First Amendment and that the government's regulations preventing its publication were unconstitutional.
FWIW, I imagine in 4-5 years this “battle” will pretty much already be decided wrt chipmaking in China.
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#33It's puzzling to read the statement that China "abuses" open technology not controlled by a country or a business entity. China's contribution to RISC-V, as well as that of other countries, is not restricted and can be freely used by anyone and any country. If this kind of sabotage against open technologies by the US because the "CCP uses it" truly materializes, it would mark a significant decline in the US spirit, w…
This whole article is US government propaganda. Just look how they need to prepend "Communist" to "China" to make a point (not).
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#34Honestly if I get better chips I have no problems with RISC-V
What do you know, they might not even be backdoored.
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#35It's puzzling to read the statement that China "abuses" open technology not controlled by a country or a business entity. China's contribution to RISC-V, as well as that of other countries, is not restricted and can be freely used by anyone and any country. If this kind of sabotage against open technologies by the US because the "CCP uses it" truly materializes, it would mark a significant decline in the US spirit, w…
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#37I can't help but think this tech war will be a positive for most of us. Both China and the US seem to think they need a rival, and if they want to do it over chips I think it can only spur on innovation in open source hardware.
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#38I can see both of the sides of the argument.
It seems that we use US funding to help everyone circumvent ARM and x86.
The problem is that US enemies are also recipients of the US technology contributions.
But what is the alternative? Stop publishing everything ?
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#39> "I fear that our export-control laws are not equipped to deal with the challenge of open-source software - whether in advanced semiconductor designs like RISC-V or in the area of AI - and a dramatic paradigm shift is needed," Warner said in a statement to Reuters. This is clearly an attack on open source. Seems incredibly odd that they use the word "export" to refer to information (that is to say: speech) I really…
They’ve done this before, famously with encryption software. prz and djb did great work to stop it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States > After four years and one regulatory change, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that software source code was speech protected by the First Amendment and that the government's regulations preventing its publication were unconstitutional. FWIW, I imagine in…
> FWIW, I imagine in 4-5 years this “battle” will pretty much already be decided wrt chipmaking in China.
If I'm understanding you correctly...
It's not that easy for China (or the US) to spin up their own fabs, particularly ones that compete to those in Taiwan. Even with some expertise and fat pockets, you might not get the same results. It's a lot of trial and error and improving yield for small processes to the point where it's economical.
On top of that, the cutting edge is already developing in Taiwan (i.e. next gen fabs).
That's why Taiwan is such a coveted area for the PRC (and the US) -- besides the traditional political issues regarding their exodus from mainland China.
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#40> "require any American person or company to receive an export license prior to engaging with PRC (People's Republic of China) entities on RISC-V technology." How would that end up working? I've seen situations in which exports restrictions came up, and which resulted in design or manufacturing being restructured, so that more work was shifted to be done in the restricted country. Which also meant that more know-how…
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Since Trump's election, both parties have gotten nationalist and protectionist. Biden led efforts to protect American companies with subsidies to companies that bought from American companies in both the CHIPS Act and the Inflation Reduction Act. If export restrictions push manufacturing out of America, I find it entirely plausible that it happened due to the ignorance and/or incompetence of the politicians pushing for them, not because they're secretly pushing for more offshoring and globalization (which politicians like Biden and Trump campaigned against).