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Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Does it make sense to use AOSP without Google ecosystem? If you can't use Android Market, Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps what the point? And to use Market you have to accept Google license.

Yes. If you need a smartphone but want to avoid as much Apple and Google (GAFAM in general) and/or reduce your reliance on proprietary software as must as possible, that's the easiest way to do it. Linux mobile goes further but is not there yet for most people. If you need a smartphone to call, message people, browse the web, for maps/directions/location/gps, to display PDFs, you can do it on a Google-free Android: -…

And since Aurora is just a proxy for the Play store, you're still back using Google services.

Signal not being on F-Droid is a bummer, makes keeping the app updated a pain.

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Does it make sense to use AOSP without Google ecosystem? If you can't use Android Market, Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps what the point? And to use Market you have to accept Google license.

yes, you can use android without google. Just ask anyone using MurenaOS, GrapheneOS, Lineage with microg...

I couldn't get microG to work on Lineage without using the microG build of LineageOS https://lineage.microg.org/

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Please don't take HN threads on generic ideological tangents (or any generic tangent actually) - they make discussion more repetitive and therefore less interesting. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

I was making a posed argument on why such monopolistic behaviors are a part of inflation, and that in the broader context, stories such as this underscore the trends..increased unionization..more trust bust. This made me wonder about how this could play out in the context of contemporary geopolitical events. I do not see how it can be anything but on topic and pertinent to this industry.

The comment had too much generic rhetoric (about inflation, capitalism, Russia, etc.) and too little specific information to count as interesting.

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Yes. If you need a smartphone but want to avoid as much Apple and Google (GAFAM in general) and/or reduce your reliance on proprietary software as must as possible, that's the easiest way to do it. Linux mobile goes further but is not there yet for most people. If you need a smartphone to call, message people, browse the web, for maps/directions/location/gps, to display PDFs, you can do it on a Google-free Android: -…

And since Aurora is just a proxy for the Play store, you're still back using Google services. Signal not being on F-Droid is a bummer, makes keeping the app updated a pain.

> you're still back using Google services

You are going to download APKs from Google servers, but you are not running the Google Play Services, which are the Google proprietary blobs that runs many Google stuff in the background. It already makes a huge difference.

So if your Google is to run a phone free of Google's proprietary stuff and you are willing to compromise on a few proprietary apps that you don't see yourself going without, or even open source apps not in F-Droid (that exists too), you are fine.

But when I ran Android, I wasn't making any of these compromises and still had a fulfilling life.

The situation for Signal in the free world is sadly not optimal indeed. I went to the extra mile of recompiling it myself without its dependencies on the Google libraries (GCM), which required a few code edits. It worked but it was a pain. The intermediary solution that still allows you to use a store is Aurora, and I guess it's convenient enough.

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Yes. If you need a smartphone but want to avoid as much Apple and Google (GAFAM in general) and/or reduce your reliance on proprietary software as must as possible, that's the easiest way to do it. Linux mobile goes further but is not there yet for most people. If you need a smartphone to call, message people, browse the web, for maps/directions/location/gps, to display PDFs, you can do it on a Google-free Android: -…

But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer. As they say “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time”. No company cares if they lose the Linux nerd market segment for consumer tech, they have never been in play. The real market is for the “it just works” crowd. Personally despite me being entirely competent to do what you describe I have a family and a small busi…

> But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer

You are pushing it. Once the phone is set up, everyday use is easy enough. Some things are less convenient and you are missing some bells and whistles, but the phone is still usable. it's still Android, with the same UI, for the most part.

But I know this "My time is limited and expensive, I have no time for X" argument too well. (X being "freedom" and "the environment" in your comment).

The world does not progress in the right direction if everybody considers their time too limited to spend time making it better. Of course, trying to improve things takes time but someone has to do it. Maybe you are improving the world in your way but if so, you are probably spending time on it.

At some point we need some people to slow down and take the time to think if we are doing / how we can do the right things. Being fast and efficient towards the wrong direction is useless or even harmful.

Yes, that's the idealistic person in me speaking.

> if something breaks I don’t even bother to figure out how to fix it anymore I just get a new one as it’s the rational time investment.

See, that's my point. It's rational until the world breaks apart because we kept burning resources building too much stuff instead of limiting the production and repairing things that can be repaired.

Throwing things away and getting new stuff because one thinks their time it too important to bother is rational only in some specific meaning of "rational".

I don't live to be economically efficient. The way the economy works today is absolutely not efficient with how we use our resources and produces a lot of waste. By focusing on being economically efficient, you are missing the bigger picture.

As an aside:

> As they say “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time”.

This sentence has to die. It assumes I'm less efficient with Linux than with its alternatives, but this can't be more wrong. For what I do with computers, Linux is far more efficient and has everything I need. I'll admit free software on mobile is still far from perfect (degoogled Android is far from being bad though), but Desktop Linux is solved for me, and has been for a long time. It's not perfect and it's ever improving, but any desktop OS has its quirks. And K-9 mail is quite fine too.

And I value my time. We might have different priorities.

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But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer. As they say “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time”. No company cares if they lose the Linux nerd market segment for consumer tech, they have never been in play. The real market is for the “it just works” crowd. Personally despite me being entirely competent to do what you describe I have a family and a small busi…

> But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer You are pushing it. Once the phone is set up, everyday use is easy enough. Some things are less convenient and you are missing some bells and whistles, but the phone is still usable. it's still Android, with the same UI, for the most part. But I know this "My time is limited and expensive, I have no time for X" argument to…

The "too hard" argument is just so much baby crying instead of just having a principle and putting the tiniest bit of effort towards it.

It's like people that leave a grocery cart in the parking spot and then try to justify it.

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But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer. As they say “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time”. No company cares if they lose the Linux nerd market segment for consumer tech, they have never been in play. The real market is for the “it just works” crowd. Personally despite me being entirely competent to do what you describe I have a family and a small busi…

> But this is the problem: everything you describe is 10-20x the effort for an average consumer You are pushing it. Once the phone is set up, everyday use is easy enough. Some things are less convenient and you are missing some bells and whistles, but the phone is still usable. it's still Android, with the same UI, for the most part. But I know this "My time is limited and expensive, I have no time for X" argument to…

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Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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If you long press on a link and choose open in Safari it will remember your preference and not open the app going forward. Terrible UX, but it works.

Oh, this worked! This is the most not intuitive thing they could have done. Why not a simple setting? Thank you anyhow, as I wouldn't discover this in a billion years.

Honestly, for all the praise about Apple's "great UIs", in feels like over the past 10 years or so they got addicted to all these "hidden" action entry points: long presses, random swipes in every direction, and weird menu locations (I for the life of me have no idea why the "install to home page" button for a PWA website is in the "share" action screen).

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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Have I got this right: the software provides search results that brings you to pages in apps?! Surely that's what the web and web search is for? I don't need to install your app I just need a web browser.

You're missing the whole picture. Branch.io was actually quite popular among a number of big app developers. A big part of what they did was deep linking into your app, and I may have the timing on this wrong but I think it was before iOS or Google had any deep linking functionality released. For example, you see this all the time on normal Android searches now, where if I have an app already installed and I search f…

Thanks :)

Re: Google's agreement with Samsung prevented Branch from launching: testimony

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They need to differentiate, but given Samsung's clearly lackluster track record at OSes, it's obvious they're very bad at software and they know it. Plus their Android flavor (One UI) is extremely underperforming, even when compared to the Chinese OEMs. If we compared it against the cleanliness of Pixel software, you'd inmediately see Google is simply much, much better than Samsung at software even with the same foun…

One UI being far inferior to Google's own UI might have been true in the past, but not so much now. One UI has been quite decent from my personal experience for the past several years now. Perhaps it's time to give it another try.

Oh, I have given it. I just tried up until Android 12 (included), so only the latest OneUI I've missed.
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