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The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Clickbait:

> Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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post #74

I thought we dealt with this?

> Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are over, say, 25, then you know that the last 10 years have been _exceptional_ years for our climate, and that the time for normal non-sensational warnings was 40 years ago or 50 years ago. Look at a graph of CO2 emissions and you realize that we are in a place where what was alarming in the 80's was the result of only _half_ of the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere since 1900 ( https://ourworldindata.org/co2-em…

> If you are over, say, 25, then you know that the last 10 years have been _exceptional_ years for our climate And if you know anything about statistics, its that ancedotes are not the plural of data and that humans have a severe recency bias. The facts about climate change are damning enough, i don't know why people feel the need to resort to poor logic and fallacies when describing climate change. The truth is actu…

> And if you know anything about statistics, its that ancedotes are not the plural of data and that humans have a severe recency bias.

> The facts about climate change are damning enough, i don't know why people feel the need to resort to poor logic and fallacies when describing climate change. The truth is actually on your side. Lets present that instead

I don’t think that the majority of people deals well when confronted with statistics.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

#84

Just putting this here for a future "told you so". It's not "man made climate change", it's the upcoming Sun micronova which will cause a pole shift in 15 to 30 years. It happens every certain number of tens of thousands of years on your planet. You should have felt the sun "feel different" over the last few years. It's getting stronger and it's slowly decreasing your protective magnetic field. In a few decades you'l…

Man-made climate change is definitely happening: carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas (we have known this since the 1880s) and we are adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere in very large amounts. Both of these are indisputable.

If the poles are reversing, that does not negate man-made climate change. It does the opposite: it makes man-made climate change that much worse. It makes it even more important that we reduce atmospheric carbon, and it gives us a much shorter timeline to do it in.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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What a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.

Apparently it is common in US publications to use such comparisons instead of proper measurements.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

#88

What a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.

That's part of the clickbait-ness. "Surely the actual article uses real numbers, let me click and see..."

Also, this is the problem with current (what gets passed off as) journalism. The quality of the reporting is replaced with creativity, hyperbole, etc. It's hard to take the profession seriously when it doesn't follow its own rules, doesn't bother to police itself, etc.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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post #87

What a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.

Apparently it is common in US publications to use such comparisons instead of proper measurements.

Even a proper measurement wouldn't tell me anything. Is 1500 kilometers across big or small for this kind of thing? I have no idea.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet I see the “do your own research!” crowd now reference the ozone hole as another example when a cabal of evil scientists came up with a cash grab that the mainstream media terrified everyone with for no reason, and “now no one even talks about it!”.

Yeah, there are a lot of crazies, but there are also a lot of vacation property owners, tennis players, golfers, etc. and saying, truthfully, that no one will be able to do anything outside again, even with sunscreen, nobody will come rent your properties in Florida to go to the beach again, and the solution doesn't cost anything, it should pass.

That's silly, the ozone hole goes from high latitudes to low, and was bigger in the southern hemisphere. Therefore was going to affect Florida well after it affected most other places.

OTOH Florida is full of people who deny global warming. Even though Florida actually is ground zero for coral bleaching, increased strength of hurricanes, and sea level rise.

People act on what they connect with for whatever combination of reasons. This seldom matches what they logically SHOULD connect with.

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