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EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? In any case, SiPearl seems to be the one designing the actual chip, they are French.

Although SoftBank still owns 90% of the equity, they’re now back to being public and since their headquarters is still Cambridge, I’d still call them a UK company.

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Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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Yes, CPUs are still the main workhorse for many scientific workloads. Sometimes just because the code hasn’t been ported, sometimes because it’s just not something that a GPU can do well.

> just because the code hasn’t been ported, Seems stupid to use millions of dollars of supercomputer time just because you can't be bothered to get a few phd students to spend a few months rewriting in CUDA...

The JSC employs a good number of people doing exactly this.

Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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Yes, CPUs are still the main workhorse for many scientific workloads. Sometimes just because the code hasn’t been ported, sometimes because it’s just not something that a GPU can do well.

> just because the code hasn’t been ported, Seems stupid to use millions of dollars of supercomputer time just because you can't be bothered to get a few phd students to spend a few months rewriting in CUDA...

>> just because the code hasn’t been ported, sometimes because it’s just not something that a GPU can do well.

> Seems stupid to use millions of dollars of supercomputer time just because you can't be bothered to get a few phd students to spend a few months rewriting in CUDA...

Rewriting code in CUDA won’t magically make workloads well suited to GPGPU.

Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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>The Jülich Supercomputing Centre, which is near Munich, will host the system. Interesting take on geography . The confusion, pobably has to do with the fact that the German tier 0 Gauss super computing center is actually spread over 3 sites (Jülich near Cologne/Aachen, Stuttgart and Garching near Munich)

Stuttgart and Garching near Munich This reads weird. It took me way too many seconds of wondering "wouldn't Stuttgart be nearer to... Stuttgart?" before I understood what you wrote. Sometimes the Oxford Comma has value, it seems.

The name of the city is “Garching bei München” which translates to “Garching near Munich”. This disambiguates it from „Garching an der Alz“. (Although Jülich is just called Jülich.)

Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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sometimes the code is deeply complex stuff that has accumulated for over 30 years. to _just_ rewrite it in CUDA can be a massive undertaking that could easily produce subtly incorrect results that end up in papers could propagate far into the future by way of citations etc

All the more reason to rewrite it... You don't want some mistake in 30 year old COBOL code to be making your 2023 experiment to have wrong results.

*FORTRAN.

Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? In any case, SiPearl seems to be the one designing the actual chip, they are French.

>I thought SoftBank bought them, making them a Japanese company? What a weird metric for determining the nationality of a company. Intel are publicly traded: are they stateless?

I think typically a company having shareholders all over the world does not make people think that it is stateless. However, ownership transfer does make a difference, especially when considering how much the new parent company alters the original company's image/culture. For example, I think that Segway has pretty much lost its US company image after being purchased by Ninebot, with Ninebot products being prominently displayed on the Segway website.

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A bit sad that while POWER9 processors were used in then-SoTA supercomputers, as far as I can tell POWER10 (which I worked on more) is not being used for scientific/industrial HPC.

I understand that POWER9 was much more open than its successor. Is that a factor?

As my own opinion, I believe the OpenPower project went strong with P10. I was not around to hear the contrast in decisions between P9 and P10 strategy, so I can't quite compare.

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I understand that POWER9 was much more open than its successor. Is that a factor?

No, I think IBM just gave up on HPC.

It would seem to some that the focus is on servers and mainframes. But the thing is the very same reasons the P10 chip excels in a high-end server apply to massively parallel processing. So I don't see a technological or implementation barrier.

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No, I think IBM just gave up on HPC.

Can confirm; supercomputers don't slot neatly enough into quartly EPS goals.

I can see the humor, but the thing is server and mainframe sales already fluctuate based on hardware generation cycles (~3 yrs start to finish, sometimes server overlapping with mainframe or memory controller).

Re: EU Grabs ARM for First ExaFLOP Supercomputer

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> just because the code hasn’t been ported, Seems stupid to use millions of dollars of supercomputer time just because you can't be bothered to get a few phd students to spend a few months rewriting in CUDA...

>> just because the code hasn’t been ported, sometimes because it’s just not something that a GPU can do well. > Seems stupid to use millions of dollars of supercomputer time just because you can't be bothered to get a few phd students to spend a few months rewriting in CUDA... Rewriting code in CUDA won’t magically make workloads well suited to GPGPU.

It's highly likely that a workload that is suitable to run on hundreds of disparate computers with thousands of CPU cores is going to be equally well suited for running on tens of thousands of GPU compute threads.
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