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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by havblue »

tidenly wrote: post #843
havblue wrote: post #318

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You do get the watch for free with a preorder so you get an extra tiny screen to go with your new gigantic screen.

Unless the battery is seriously improved I wouldn't pay it much mind. The pixel watch is one of my biggest purchase regrets and basically just sits off on my arm as an accessory.

It was "free", but I rationalized that I'll have it for exercise and to hopefully reduce the amount of time I look at the gigantic screen. However, the way these purchases usually go is that you can't buy your way to a better lifestyle. So I'll find out eventually if it's just another gadget that collects dust on the shelf.

That being said I did want the better camera on the pro.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by deprecative »

mda wrote: post #657
Alacart wrote: post #84

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My experience with my own pixel 7 pro and a pixel 5 has been that these devices are an order of magnitude lower in build quality than Samsung or iPhones. I really, really wanted to be happy with them but they've been a never ending source of frustration. My pixel 5 just stopped turning on one day about 2 years in, and my pixel 7 pro had the volume and power buttons fall out about 3 weeks in (not due to a drop, after…

If anecdotes matter, my family use 5 pixel 6/7/7a phones and I have never seen a single build issue.

I've used a majority of the Nexus/Pixel line and have never had an issue either. Anecdotal+1.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by deprecative »

lolinder wrote: post #480
thefz wrote: post #195

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See above comment as to why.

Why doesn't really matter for OP's observation, the point is that your phones don't last long enough to manifest the possible problems. It'd be like if you were in the habit of totaling each car you own at about 50k miles. You might have really enjoyed it for those 50k miles, but you're not qualified to comment on how durable the car is in the long run.

At the same time if you're keeping a car going for several hundred thousand miles and experience issues you're also not to be counted.

Get a new phone every handful of years. Stop being surprised when old hardware starts to fail.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by deprecative »

distances wrote: post #683
justusthane wrote: post #555

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Yes, security updates absolutely matter regardless of your usage pattern. You could unwittingly visit a website that has been compromised to exploit a zero-day in your browser. Or receive a malicious text message. Or open a PDF. Or or or.

Nobody that I know cares the least bit if they get security updates or not. Could be that it changes if there ever comes along a widespread exploit that won't get patched, but currently it's just not a concern especially for any non-techie.

You might be the smartest person in the room. Find a new room.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by mgalgs »

coldpie wrote: post #51
j10u wrote: post #41

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Agreed, I moved away from Pixels because of size... I'm hoping for a Pixel Mini someday

I moved away from Android entirely because of size. Currently on an iPhone 13 Mini, which is riiight at the very upper edge of a reasonable size. I would love to go back to Android if only someone reputable would make a reasonably-sized phone.

Ditto! Help manufacturers see the demand for small Android phones by joining: https://smallandroidphone.com/

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #786
goosedragons wrote: post #756

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And my work x86 Thinkpad fan rarely spins up and when it does it's way quieter than my Intel MBP ever was. Also gets 8 hours battery life web browsing which is good enough. It's almost like there's a spectrum of PCs.

I never said that x86 MacBooks didn’t suck. My former work 16 inch MacBook Pro could easily make it through a day and half of decently heavy work and conference calls doing presentations over Chime (how do you say where you worked without saying where you worked) on battery when on site at a customer. Some of their team couldn’t make it. My personal MacBook Air (M2) can make it 16+ hours with a relative light workloa…

My M1 Macbook Air was lucky to make it 6 hours with Docker running in the background. If I was editing text I could get maybe 10-12 hours. For my money, there are lots of machines that would run cooler and more efficiently.

> Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000?

Because your workload isn't compatible with MacOS, and Apple makes no effort to remedy it at a software-level? Docker should not be more energy efficient on Windows than it is on Mac... and that's really just the tip of the incompatibility iceberg. Unless your workload is explicitly compatible with ARM, it probably Just Works better on x86.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by scarface_74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #866
scarface_74 wrote: post #786

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I never said that x86 MacBooks didn’t suck. My former work 16 inch MacBook Pro could easily make it through a day and half of decently heavy work and conference calls doing presentations over Chime (how do you say where you worked without saying where you worked) on battery when on site at a customer. Some of their team couldn’t make it. My personal MacBook Air (M2) can make it 16+ hours with a relative light workloa…

My M1 Macbook Air was lucky to make it 6 hours with Docker running in the background. If I was editing text I could get maybe 10-12 hours. For my money, there are lots of machines that would run cooler and more efficiently. > Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000? Because your workload isn't compatible with MacOS, and Apple mak…

So how long does you Windows laptop battery last when running Docker? How loud do the fans get?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #867
smoldesu wrote: post #866

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My M1 Macbook Air was lucky to make it 6 hours with Docker running in the background. If I was editing text I could get maybe 10-12 hours. For my money, there are lots of machines that would run cooler and more efficiently. > Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000? Because your workload isn't compatible with MacOS, and Apple mak…

So how long does you Windows laptop battery last when running Docker? How loud do the fans get?

It hovered around 40c, about the same as my Macbook Air. Fans kicked on at 45c, so idling was silent (but working wasn't).

The real killer-app for me was just switching to Linux as my base OS. I can leave containers idling while watching YouTube at a cool 27c internally. I'm using a 6-7 year old T460s, but honestly I feel like I could get away with even weaker hardware if I wanted. A Macbook Air running Linux might be a candidate if I didn't need to wait for basic functionality to get reverse-engineered. As-is though, you can count me among the people who doesn't quite need an upgrade yet.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kernal »

kkielhofner wrote: post #856
kernal wrote: post #841

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>they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s This is such a disingenuous comment. Claiming that it got 10 years of updates because it received a recent security update is not telling the complete story. It's a phone stuck on iOS 12 and Apple chose to release a recent security fix. The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and…

> The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and quarterly feature drops. This blows the iPhone away. Now, starting in 2023.

The ball is now in Apple's court.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by millzlane »

xyzelement wrote: post #514
TeMPOraL wrote: post #462

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> Try this: don’t upgrade your phone for five years. Try that and monitor your quality of life. See if you can avoid therapy. It's not that people think they need to upgrade their phones every year, or two, or three. It's that the phones are designed for short usable life on hardware side, and on software side, neither first-party nor third-party developers give a damn about performance.

What is the evidence of this claim? My wife just got to a place where her iPhone got unusable because it's running out of space - mainly having to do with her massive Messages history and photos/videos. We didn't even know until I checked, her phone is the iPhone X which was released 6 years ago and technically nothing is stopping her from using it longer except the lack of desire to prune her message history/photos/…

This is why I invest in Apple. They have made a bet, that the majority is too unwilling to forgo useless data like messages and photos and videos. If you want to save a picture or a video, why not download the photo and store it somewhere permanent? I think Apple knows most people will not manage/backup their own data. So instead of warning users or educating users, they have come up with a paid solution. iCloud storage. In the future, I can imagine most Apple users paying Apple a monthly fee to store all of their data. I suspect that Apple's profit will continue to grow with every new 8k video created and saved on their servers.
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