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Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Why are windows hard to manage under macOS?

You need to install a 3rd party tool to switch between windows in macOS, like alt+tab provides in Windows and most linux desktops. macOS of course has cmd+tab, but that switches apps not windows.

Cmd+backtick

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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This is ridiculous. Of course Windows 12 won't require a subscription. It will only be required if you want to disable the native data collection and advertising.

There will never be any price you can pay MS to give up telemetry and tracking

I'm surprised some enterprising hackers haven't hacked the binaries to nuke telemetry permanently (one used to see lots of Win hacks in the past).

But then, perhaps I've not been looking hard enough (I mostly use Penguin).

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Usd 10/year is entirely reasonable. But I fear an higher fee.

$1/year is entirely unreasonable. They build a product, they sell it to you, transaction ends there. They should sell you a product that works. Bug fixes are part of making the thing you bought closer to what was advertised, so it's part of the initial purchase. An OS is not a SaaS, and nobody considered doing it until it became popular, because it's a fad.

Of course a subscription would imply no upfront fee.

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I have a bottle of champagne put aside for when I can finally quit windows. I’m actively porting my software stack and dependencies to cross platform so it’ll be pretty soon. They’ve clearly taken their monopoly position for granted and now there is serious inertia behind getting rid of them. I’m actually responding to customer demand for cross platform so the customers are clearly hating windows as well.

The thing about ads is that quite often whatever you will pay to remove it, someone will pay more to put it back. Paying to remove ads is a signal that you’re the exact kind of person they want to send ads to. So not having ads has to both be either a moral position instead or a long term sustainability position. Microsoft expect their monopoly status to sustain them and have been ratcheting up their abuse of their monopoly to extract more money. In my view they’re on track to losing that privilege.

Just recently YouTube has started blocking videos due to add blocker presence. I already pay producers via patreon and I guess I will just go watch over there. YouTube is a bad habit I need to break and their new policy will help me do that.

Oh, and while I’m shitting in windows; the defender has made file access almost unusably slow, and I get intermittent stuttering both in games and with music on an absolute overkill of a computer speced this way precisely because it needs to run windows.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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The alternative is that everyone thinks they can code an alternative during a weekend.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, especially in the context of something as monumental as Microsoft Windows. But just in general, how does a subscription model prevent naive competitors from trying to make an alternative?

Fear not, 2024 will be the Year of Linux Desktop. /s

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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If MS bundled in some hardware it would be similar to the iPhone Upgrade Program where one pays monthly and gets new hardware every year (which is bundled with the OS). How much of the consumer's payment hardware and how much OS/software? The consumer is just paying for value provided by peace of mind that they have something that works. (This is a hypo on my part as my personal value is to keep using the same phone until the OS is too far out of date.)

https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/iphone-upgrade-program

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Microsoft could create this. They have no reason to. Nobody else could, because it would require Microsoft to agree to something that's against their interests.

Isn't that WSL though ?

no, it's reverse WSL.

LSW, if you will.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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I have a bottle of champagne put aside for when I can finally quit windows. I’m actively porting my software stack and dependencies to cross platform so it’ll be pretty soon. They’ve clearly taken their monopoly position for granted and now there is serious inertia behind getting rid of them. I’m actually responding to customer demand for cross platform so the customers are clearly hating windows as well. The thing a…

> I have a bottle of champagne put aside for when I can finally quit windows.

This is an odd incentive. One might consider it as a reason for using Windows as long as possible, since the bottle would be of a mature vintage and worth more?

It's kind of like the furniture store that refunds people's mattress purchases if the baseball team wins. Given the advantage of not making people's purchase free retroactively, the promotion is kind of like betting against the team even though it is proclaimed as if it is in support of the team.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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I have a bottle of champagne put aside for when I can finally quit windows. I’m actively porting my software stack and dependencies to cross platform so it’ll be pretty soon. They’ve clearly taken their monopoly position for granted and now there is serious inertia behind getting rid of them. I’m actually responding to customer demand for cross platform so the customers are clearly hating windows as well. The thing a…

> I have a bottle of champagne put aside for when I can finally quit windows. This is an odd incentive. One might consider it as a reason for using Windows as long as possible, since the bottle would be of a mature vintage and worth more? It's kind of like the furniture store that refunds people's mattress purchases if the baseball team wins. Given the advantage of not making people's purchase free retroactively, the…

If age was a consideration I would have bought an older bottle. I'm not a connoisseur, or even a lush. It's a large bottle so that I can share it with my friends, I'm the last windows holdout so they're waiting on me. My windows experience isn't even that bad as I disable most of the crap they try to foist upon me. It's the forced breaking upgrades that have caused the most personal grief. Apart from that it really is about responding to customer demand. I'd like to buy an apple laptop and hopefully by then there is a really good linux experience. I'd hate to go from Windows anti-consumerism to Apple anti-consumerism but it's hard to get good laptop hardware.
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