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Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by henriquez »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #102

As someone who is both a heavy Office user and who plays AAA games, I pretty much have to use Windows at least some of the time, which I'm OK with; it works and I'm used to it. And I would be perfectly OK to pay money to get a work-focused OS that doesn't have any of the Windows monetization tricks where it tries to harvest my data or bombard me with ads, so this sounds promising on the surface. But then I realize th…

Maybe they will do it like Hulu where you can pay an additional monthly fee to get ad-free access and then you’ll get ads anyway because [reasons]

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by zeusk »

rhplus wrote: post #90
drofmij wrote: post #69

Wasn't windows 10 supposed to be the "last windows ever" ? Have been hearing about the subscription windows for 20+ years and it hasn't happened yet.

The kernel team still call it Windows 10. From their perspective, the latest Windows 11 update is just Windows 10.0.22621.2361!

The kernel team doesn't use either version, they use release monikers internally (ie. Threshold, RS1-RS5, 19h1-22h2, Sun Valley 1, SV2 etc.)

But also, internal interfaces and external interfaces are rev'd so teams tend to talk about the different interfaces they work with (ie. dxgi 1.2, dx12_3, wddm 3.2, UMDF 2.1) or the different internal versions of apisets.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by dihrbtk »

nick_ wrote: post #97
nrr wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are windows hard to manage under macOS?

You need to install a 3rd party tool to switch between windows in macOS, like alt+tab provides in Windows and most linux desktops. macOS of course has cmd+tab, but that switches apps not windows.

you can switch between windows of a single app with cmd+`...

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by JohnFen »

rakoo wrote: post #96
JohnFen wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that he was talking about not paying for software. I think he was talking about not renting software.

Yes but what is the right price for a one-time payment of software ? If you're going to use maintenance, updates, all the work that comes after you paid, what do you consider is a correct price to pay in advance for all future changes ?

The "correct price" depends entirely on the specific software, so this is an impossible question to answer in its literal sense.

> what do you consider is a correct price to pay in advance for all future changes ?

You don't. Outside of security updates, which should never be charged for, you pay for the software as it exists when you buy it. When future changes come around, you buy the upgrade (if you want it).

It's the tried-and-true method of charging for this stuff.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by hef19898 »

guraf wrote: post #110
hef19898 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be 2000 or NT (I always confuse those two for some reason...).

I'm sure you're making a clever joke and I'm just not getting it. All Windows branded as NT as well as 2000 (the first NT not branded as such) predate Windows 8 by over a decade, so I don't understand why you'd think one of them would be number 9.

Ah, my bad... I mean the last one worth using wasn't 9, but either 2000 or NT, which for the love of god always confuse nowadays despite having used both back the day... I think my preferred one of all time was 2000, but again not sure if actually was NT... I'm getting old...

Edit: Just realized GPs joke... There never was a Windows 9... And it isn't even that late...

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by NONdualitySim »

NullPrefix wrote: post #67
Simulacra wrote: post #5

I still haven't seen one good reason to upgrade from windows 10.

What made you leave windows 7?

Flash forward 5 years from now and it will be Browser support, but so far we're covered on that front

https://trackerninja.codeberg.page/post/latest-google-chrome...

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by cjbgkagh »

doctorwho42 wrote: post #109
orphea wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wasn't windows 10 supposed to be the "last windows ever" Microsoft has never said that. Edit: since people are still confused. 1. What was said was "...and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10". This was said by a Microsoft developer evangelist, never it was an official corporate position or an announcement. And most certainly no one said "ever". 2. You could argu…

I had both friends and family working in Microsoft when Windows 10 was released, and it definitely was sold as the last OS that would just get free updates forever. And that they would run it as a loss-leader.

It was a part of the billion devices plan. It was a lie to convince the Win7 holdouts to upgrade.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by JohnFen »

ianceicys wrote: post #59
itishappy wrote: post #14

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That's not a subscription, that's amortization. The critical difference is that amortization decreases your cost per unit time with use. More use, better value. Subscriptions do not work that way. Having to pay $50/year for a 5 year old laptop doesn't excite.

The problem with Amortization in the consumer space is the lifetime of the device. Sure, you can keep running a computer for year 6 instead of the standard 5 years...but 90% of consumers don't - What machines from 2016 are you using today? If you do, let's get serious you're already looking to upgrade in the near future, no?

> What machines from 2016 are you using today?

Most of my machines are that old or older.

> If you do, let's get serious you're already looking to upgrade in the near future, no?

No. I only look to upgrade if the system stop working or if it can no longer perform as I need it to.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by dragonwriter »

guraf wrote: post #110
hef19898 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be 2000 or NT (I always confuse those two for some reason...).

I'm sure you're making a clever joke and I'm just not getting it. All Windows branded as NT as well as 2000 (the first NT not branded as such) predate Windows 8 by over a decade, so I don't understand why you'd think one of them would be number 9.

NT version numbers were weird, and major releases didn5 increment major version numbers, but if you the first major release (NT 3.1) as the next major windows version after Windows 3.x, (so as 4) you would get to 9 about Windows 2000 (this counts 3.51 as a major release.)

Of course, that would leave out the consumer line starting with Win 95.

Re: Microsoft might want to be making Windows 12 a subscription OS, suggests leak

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Post by tempodox »

rcoveson wrote: post #70

This is ridiculous. Of course Windows 12 won't require a subscription. It will only be required if you want to disable the native data collection and advertising.

You must be hallucinating. Of course Microsoft will abuse you with ads and tracking, no matter how much you pay. And now that every last coffee machine in the world runs Windoze, they cannot grow by increasing the number of installations any more. The only way “up” is by raising the price.
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