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Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by charcircuit »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #143
charcircuit wrote: post #132

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>ChromeOS is a GNU/Linux system Personally, it doesn't qualify as GNU to me as the only GNU software included AFAIK is Bash. To me GNU requires coreutils to be there and usable.

Yeah, ChromeOS uses GNU coreutils and glibc; it's a Gentoo derivative, not some alien like Android. I don't know how you define "usable", but if you switch to developer mode to let you get a shell at all then it feels about like any other GNU/Linux distro.

Normal builds of ChromeOS do not include coreutils.

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromi...

>it's a Gentoo derivative, not some alien like Android

Android is no more of an alien than Gentoo.

>I don't know how you define "usable"

It means when the user logs in they are given a bash shell so that they can use GNU coreutils. This is similar to UNIX in which you log in and are then able to use UNIX's built in utilities.

>but if you switch to developer mode

Developer mode is a Debian container.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by pjmlp »

catlover76 wrote: post #98
pjmlp wrote: post #30

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Paying top dollars/euros for a laptop with 8GB/128GB isn't my idea of an ideal developer laptop.

You don't pay top price for Chromebooks; you can get a good one for in between 200 and 300 USD

Not in Europe, so top euro if you prefer, and still with a junk hardware configuration.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by pjmlp »

Teckla wrote: post #75
pjmlp wrote: post #30

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Paying top dollars/euros for a laptop with 8GB/128GB isn't my idea of an ideal developer laptop.

8GB/128GB goes a lot further on a Chromebook than it does on creaky, old, slow, bloated Windows. And Chromebook prices are very good. I recently got a Chromebook and I'm amazed at how snappy and fast it is. And its built in Linux is amazing.

Nope, not good at all, and my Asus 1215B proves otherwise.

300 euro from 2009, upgraded with 8GB and 1TB SSD, and with native graphics that beat WebGL 2.0, running latest Xubuntu.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by the_gipsy »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #73
the_gipsy wrote: post #24

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I haven't used F keys in years.

Leaving a lot of productivity on the table. Those and rest of the hotkeys allow me to duck out early at work. ;-)

Haha no. My shortcuts are just not the F keys, so I don't have to hunt-and-peck. No mouse either.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by pjmlp »

saagarjha wrote: post #78
AJRF wrote: post #16

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All new devs are given Chromebooks unless they need a specific device (like a MacBook for iOS devs)

You can request the computer you want. They will push you towards Chromebook but you can pick a normal Linux machine or a MacBook or even a Windows computer (don't do this).

Someone at Google needs to support the top 80% desktop market.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by circuit10 »

brnt wrote: post #150
jeffbee wrote: post #94

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Is this an adaptation to some past trauma? I can't imagine a good reason to do this today, certainly not with ChromeOS.

Isnt suspending an adaptation to trauma? The trauma of slow drives/startup or being interrupted constantly? When I put my machine e away I am usually 'done', and when I open it, it isn't to see where I left off.

Being interrupted isn’t something that can be solved with technology, it’s more a lifestyle thing

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by amelius »

maxamillion wrote: post #6

Google put in a ton of work to make all the Linux and Android sandboxing while still being able to do file sharing into the sandboxes, Wayland GUI app bridging, usb pass-through, and a bunch of other stuff. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/HEAD/con... ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ChromeOS might be great, but I wish I could just buy it from an OS company, not a company that wants my data.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by omnifischer »

pjmlp wrote: post #153
Teckla wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8GB/128GB goes a lot further on a Chromebook than it does on creaky, old, slow, bloated Windows. And Chromebook prices are very good. I recently got a Chromebook and I'm amazed at how snappy and fast it is. And its built in Linux is amazing.

Nope, not good at all, and my Asus 1215B proves otherwise. 300 euro from 2009, upgraded with 8GB and 1TB SSD, and with native graphics that beat WebGL 2.0, running latest Xubuntu.

if one is already a geek it is not needed. The only reason myself being a geek moved to chromeos

- no need to worry if upgrading some Xorg will kill Xserver. Yes, it does happen if one has autoupdates

- Will my zoom/camera/mic work after I make pulseaudio->pipewire->? No idea but chromeos - just works

- There are software engineers that have no installation/hardware/sysadmin experience (or they dont want to learn).

- Just close and open device. Chromeos is instant. (yes, one can fiddle with pm-utils to get modules (un)loaded - no life is too short to fix these.

- Many programs like netflix need some form of terrible DRM and dont work with linux. Some people still need to live with DRM.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by ssss11 »

maxamillion wrote: post #6

Google put in a ton of work to make all the Linux and Android sandboxing while still being able to do file sharing into the sandboxes, Wayland GUI app bridging, usb pass-through, and a bunch of other stuff. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/HEAD/con... ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How does it go with things like tracking or serving personalised ads?

Genuine concern with anything google. Current and future risks.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Post by pjmlp »

omnifischer wrote: post #158
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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Nope, not good at all, and my Asus 1215B proves otherwise. 300 euro from 2009, upgraded with 8GB and 1TB SSD, and with native graphics that beat WebGL 2.0, running latest Xubuntu.

if one is already a geek it is not needed. The only reason myself being a geek moved to chromeos - no need to worry if upgrading some Xorg will kill Xserver. Yes, it does happen if one has autoupdates - Will my zoom/camera/mic work after I make pulseaudio->pipewire-> ? No idea but chromeos - just works - There are software engineers that have no installation/hardware/sysadmin experience (or they dont want to learn).…

I thought we were discussing about ChromeOS for developers after all.

> ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development.

There are laptops sold with Linux support in mind, those Asus netbooks were such laptops.

As for DRM, just install Chrome, the Web nowadays is ChromeOS anyway.

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