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Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by kernal » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 10:58 PM UTC

kkielhofner wrote: post #339

redbell wrote: post #330

7 years of support is probably the single, most noticeable improvement in the Android ecosystem in years now. Also, the temperature sensor in the Pro, if it worked as expected, should be a cool addition.

Finally. The planned obsolescence conversation seems to revolve around Apple (the only self-interested greedy company on the planet according to the detractors) but they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s. Here we are, in 2023, and Google is coming around to seven years of support. Apple has done at least seven since 2013. In any case I applaud this move and at least five…

>they hold the record for software updates on smartphones - 10 years for the iPhone 5s

This is such a disingenuous comment. Claiming that it got 10 years of updates because it received a recent security update is not telling the complete story. It's a phone stuck on iOS 12 and Apple chose to release a recent security fix.

The Pixel 8 is going to receive 7 years of OS Updates, 84 months of monthly security updates and quarterly feature drops. This blows the iPhone away.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by jmprspret » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 12:12 AM UTC

ColoursofOSINT wrote: post #814

jmprspret wrote: post #765

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I'm willing to believe Daniel is a bit of an asshole, totally. But I am thoroughly on his side when it comes to the CalyxOS and Techlore drama. However I wasn't aware of any of the Louis Rossman stuff

> But I am thoroughly on his side when it comes to the CalyxOS and Techlore drama. Sure, that could be argued either way. To be honest, it's too complicated for me to really care about. I think GrapheneOS is a solid project, currently. My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes. My worry…

> My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes.

I think this is very fair, and very unfortunate as well.

The issue with Copperhead was that they wanted to make it proprietary against Daniel's will (an oversimplification). I'm on Daniel's side on this issue.

The way they're currently in the process of setting up a "GrapheneOS Foundation" to ensure it stays open and not-for-profit _should_ ensure this never happens again. But the issue they are having is that a public figurehead is likely to get harassed and Doxed by malicious parties like what's happened to Daniel - but a real name is required to be on paper legally (also an oversimplification).

> I want the project to go on for as long as possible, and part of that requires honest reflection.

I agree. And I think this is very hard to discuss in official graphene circles with official graphene members+devs because they always always always shy away from discussing meta-issues and comment threads, forum threads, etc are removed once conversations go too far into it. I see both sides - they want to focus on development and the project itself - but also, these discussions need to be had.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by tidenly » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 2:57 AM UTC

havblue wrote: post #318

01100011 wrote: post #208

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I'd love the telephoto camera for outdoor shots, but I can't stand the price or the size of the phone. Even with the Google Fi discount of $300, the price($500 with trade-in) is too much to justify. I guess I'll stick with my Pixel 5A.

You do get the watch for free with a preorder so you get an extra tiny screen to go with your new gigantic screen.

Unless the battery is seriously improved I wouldn't pay it much mind. The pixel watch is one of my biggest purchase regrets and basically just sits off on my arm as an accessory.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by bigstrat2003 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 4:21 AM UTC

cdchn wrote: post #818

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #249

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Yeah, no shit. I don't think that there's anyone who can't figure that out. The problem isn't "I can't figure out how to use my phone", it's that always having to use the phone with two hands is annoying as hell. Phones shine when you can use them one handed. They suck when you have to regularly use them two handed because they are so big.

I think a lot of phone UI stuff biases for the lower half of the screen already. UI elements for picking most frequently used apps are at the bottom, controls for ending calls etc are at the bottom, keyboards are at the botton, swiping up to change apps.

Sure, but many phones are so wide that I can't reach elements at the bottom of the screen (but on the side opposite my thumb). I'm willing to not fuss about stuff all the way in the top-left corner, but I almost always have to hold my phone with two hands to use it.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by tracker1 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 4:31 AM UTC

Meh. I'm sick of over priced phones. I'm holding on to my 3yo phone another year or two.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by bradgessler » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 5:54 AM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #776

rsynnott wrote: post #718

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Eh? I just replaced my four year old iPhone 11 Pro with a 15 Pro. The upgrade's nice, but it was a pure luxury purchase, the old phone was still running fine (mostly I wanted the 120hz display, and 5G). There was a time when a 4 year old smartphone was verging on unusable, but that's long past now.

Either I'm having bad luck with phones, or Android flagships just don't have the longevity iPhones do. I can believe the latter, as this seems to be the common belief about all Apple devices relative to competition.

Most Apple devices will last 5 years without breaking much of a sweat.

My parents are running 12 year old Apple devices just fine, which blows my mind.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by ngfgnbdfv » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:15 AM UTC

vel0city wrote: post #352

chimeracoder wrote: post #346

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> I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Too bad no flagship phones have…

If we're looking at older phones with removable storage, it usually limited what could be put on the SD card. And in the end the OS and system libraries were still on the on-board storage which would wear out over the years. And there's good reason for the OS not being on a microSD card. Run a Raspberry Pi without locking the storage and see how fast it'll corrupt itself. Most SD cards have pretty miserable reliabili…

all modern stern pinball machines (everything spike/spike ii, from 2015 on) boot linux on sd card

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:37 AM UTC

rimliu wrote: post #676

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #192

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It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times). Of course when it…

So you think, when someone upgrades their phone they throw perfectly working "old" phone into trash?

Yes. I have drawers full of them which I have no use for and will likely be thrown out.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by jhasse » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:43 AM UTC

eptcyka wrote: post #783

Valakas_ wrote: post #742

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Who the hell cares that one's phone is going out of support? This anal obsession with OS updates for some people is honestly appalling. If the phone doesn't get updated every micro second the sky is falling and the phone becomes a dangerous place. What are you doing on your phone that you need to be on top of OS security so badly? Browsing on the dark web? Going to sketchy sites? Have no password savers or 2nd factor…

I do not care about getting the latest updates, I care about having all the vulnerabilities being fixed. Can you load a malicious WebM file without executing arbitrary code in a webview on your S7?

Yes, the WebView got upgraded via the Play Store.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by haspok » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 7:09 AM UTC

blackoil wrote: post #627

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #192

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It's funny because if they did not release a new phone every year, the old phones would be useful for longer. I recently had to replace my iPhone 7s plus because it was getting so slow I sometimes could not get the camera to open as it loaded the system down too much. This was despite the fact that the system said my battery was not degraded (it had been replaced with Apple Care a couple of times). Of course when it…

How real are the security risks? My wife is using Oneplus 5t about 6 years old. It doesn't feel slow, cam may not be greatest, but pretty good. Battery life is one day with mild usage. It is stuck on Android 10, but play services and apps are updated.

I have the same phone, and the main culprit is the connectors. The audio jack connector has gone a few years ago, now the USB-C is getting worse - I need to sometimes wiggle the cable to connect the charger. If I use a headphone then the smallest motion might disconnect it. This is the only reason why I'm considering getting a new phone - battery is still around 75% capacity (after 6 years of daily use!), otherwise still performant enough, runs any apps I use without a problem.