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ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Yeah, it is funny how successful Linux became as a desktop while basically noone was paying attention. I just wish the keyboards were more developer friendly. Give me F keys!

> I just wish the keyboards were more developer friendly. Give me F keys!

At the same time, I applaud them finally getting rid of Caps Lock and replacing it with a general utility feature (search)

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Yeah, it is funny how successful Linux became as a desktop while basically noone was paying attention. I just wish the keyboards were more developer friendly. Give me F keys!

It became successful because the Linux-y stuff are invisible to the average non tech users, just like on Android.

Making Linux stuff invisible isn't what fixes it and prepares it for end consumer usage, though. If you get rid of the Linux terminal, and still have many under-the-hood and polish issues that the user could only fix if they had a terminal, you have a bad product.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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That looks nice. I like the Material You look and feel and UX. I want to try it. Can I install Chrome OS as simply as I installed Ubuntu? With a USB drive and a friendly install process (on a separated partition on my SSD, my main OS is Windows 11 now).

Yes. The chromeOS Flex installer image can be written to a USB drive and then booted from your usual computer. https://support.google.com/chromeosflex/answer/11552529 You can unzip this archive and write the unpacked BIN to a USB flash drive using `dd` like you would for Ubuntu. You can also just follow the Google instructions. https://dl.google.com/chromeos-flex/images/latest.bin.zip

Great! Will try that since I see is an official documentation.

I assume yes, but do you know if it is mandatory to have to login to the OS with a Google account? Or can be used with a local/offline account? I prefer the later.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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ChromeOS is my x-window. Debian is my terminal. Google has done a nice job of integrating the two. The only real constraint is the hardware. Disclaimer: I was a pre-release beta tester for ChromeOS.

The matte-black laptop they shipped out to beta testers for ChromeOS is still the best laptop I've ever owned. Maybe not processing speed-wise, but the size and everything else was perfection.

I still have mine, but the hinge broke in a very annoying way that probably needs a full replacement.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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I shut all of my computers all the way off when I’m finished using them, which means I have to turn them on when I start using them.

Is this an adaptation to some past trauma? I can't imagine a good reason to do this today, certainly not with ChromeOS.

When talking about other OS, you might want to turn it off if you have your disk encrypted. So it serves its purpose.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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What happened to the Fuchsia project?

Rumor has it, it may eventually replace Linux as the underlying OS to Android/ART. By now I'm thinking G's leadership is realizing the epic undertaking it would mean to bring Fuchsia to maturity... and I give Fuchsia a 50/50 chance of ending up in the vast Google graveyard (https://killedbygoogle.com/) in the next 5 years.

I'm curious why they couldn't poach one of the L4 microkernels to build Fuchsia on, specifically SEL4 which is used in Genode/SculptOS, same as they did with Linux and Android. It would've given them a strong base to build on, saved time/$$$....

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Thanks - has this changed in the past few years? A few years back (when I last looked in depth), it was very easy at every boot (not only first boot) to accidentally wipe everything - e.g., https://www.reddit.com/r/Crouton/comments/3be2su/reducing_ri... I also remember that it made a loud beep on every boot!

I used a Chromebook as my main laptop for a year in college, and I always had to apologize to nearby strangers for the beep. (CS major, coding happened mostly over SSH to the school servers, but I did run RStudio locally)

The key combo you use to get into dev mode, ctrl+D, will exit the warning screen before it beeps.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/

That'd be more interesting a reference if it were actually possible to run without making your own conformamt special hardware. Google built their own embedded controllers to power this platform, unlike anything else that came before. The source may be open, but no other machine anywhere will run this. It has taken heroic efforts to port ChromoumOS to conventional x86 hardware platforms. Google then bought the people…

It's to my understanding that the Neverware acquisition eventually led to ChromeOS Flex which is ChromeOS designed to run on any generic x86_64 platform.

https://chromeenterprise.google/intl/en_ca/os/chromeosflex/

https://support.google.com/chromeosflex/answer/11552529

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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Paying top dollars/euros for a laptop with 8GB/128GB isn't my idea of an ideal developer laptop.

8GB/128GB goes a lot further on a Chromebook than it does on creaky, old, slow, bloated Windows. And Chromebook prices are very good. I recently got a Chromebook and I'm amazed at how snappy and fast it is. And its built in Linux is amazing.

If you say so. I'm on windows and most of my memory is going to chrome and firefox.

I've had some pretty severe issues with a chromebook running out of memory because the devs decided swap wasn't allowed (and I could never get the kernel to build and install properly). The builtin chrome definitely doesn't stop single websites from using most of a gigabyte of RAM.

Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment

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The kids can't code locally on a git repo on Chromebooks and run make; they don't even have a terminal. Googlers only code remotely on Chromebooks. The kids MUST be able to run `pytest arithmetic.ipynb` on whichever platform. (It was not appropriate for Google 2016-2020 (?) to decide that we should all accept WASM runtime vulnerabilities in sandboxed browser processes running as the same user instead of per-app SELin…

I'm still not understanding the criticism. You're saying it's bad that kids can't hack on their school-supplied/parent-managed computers. And... I think I agree, as far as it goes. But you're responding to a thread saying "Chromebooks are good for Developers", where's it's just not responsive. There's absolutely no reason schools or parents can't hand kids unmanaged/unrestricted Chromebooks; they just choose not to (…

The fact that they're managed isn't the problem, it's the type of restrictions that google is enabling. Both the schools and google are at fault.

You say "important and desirable manageability features" in your other comment and I strongly disagree. Disabling the web inspector is not important and it is the exact opposite of desirable.

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