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4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by throwawa14223 »

bitwize wrote: post #10
JKCalhoun wrote: post #5

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I need a reminder from time to time that the internet has become a dumpster fire. These add fuel to the internal debate I am always having as to whether we ought to just toss the whole stinking thing away and go back to a world dominated by radio [1]. [1] (Not that I have of course any means to do that ... but I can drop out I suppose.)

What we need to do is build a progressive political orientation into all layers of the network, from site content moderation to actual packet routing. To quote Drew Devault, "no Nazis" is a better policy than "no politics".

Why would any person adopt packet routing that had built in progressive political orientation?

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by chmod775 »

lamontcg wrote: post #39
chmod775 wrote: post #27

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> No one spams racist garbage despite not being racists because they want to create chaos and are fishing for a reaction. That's a bold statement and clearly untrue. A boatload of people gets their kicks out of pretending to hold any number of offensive views just to get a rise out of people online. When I was a dumb 16 year old that was one of my favorite past times. Only works on people who don't believe anyone wou…

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Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by skulk »

chmod775 wrote: post #19
skulk wrote: post #16

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I know it brings you comfort to think they're just doing it for the lolz but unfortunately the reality is that a good chunk of them actually believe those things.

Or that's what they want you to believe - because obviously that's more lolz. Though maybe there's some that actually are, because of: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1012082 Ask yourself why an actual racist without any intention to cause chaos would engage in this behavior though. It's clearly intended to offend and get a reaction - that's the main goal. Whether it's done by actual racists is secondary.

> It's clearly intended to offend and get a reaction - that's the main goal. Whether it's done by actual racists is secondary.

No, you're completely off the mark here. It's done because they feel these things deep down and can't talk about them with people in real life to avoid being ostracized by what few friends they have left (or maybe they're super popular, I don't know). Yes, perhaps the _absolute_ most extreme things that are said there are not serious. However, the least extreme sentiments there (which would be considered extremely offensive in polite society) are 100% genuine.

Don't you think doing it for a joke would have gotten old by now? No one really talks about 4chan and no one goes there that doesn't already know what to expect. Ergo, no one is really shocked by any of these things anymore.

Again, I know this is a hard pill to swallow and I can see that you're trying really hard to avoid it but most of the racist sentiments on 4chan are genuine.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by chmod775 »

lamontcg wrote: post #44
chmod775 wrote: post #42

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Of course.

Such cheap attacks don't have to be tolerated and it's perfectly fair to point them out for what they are.

I didn't seek out a random comment to take a potshot at - you directly replied to me with a comment that contains nothing but a mean-spirited dig.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by lamontcg »

chmod775 wrote: post #45
lamontcg wrote: post #44

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Of course. Such cheap attacks don't have to be tolerated and it's perfectly fair to point them out for what they are. I didn't seek out a random comment to take a potshot at - you directly replied to me with a comment that contains nothing but a mean-spirited dig.

Yeah, now I definitely have questions about your character.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by oldbbsnickname »

throwawa14223 wrote: post #40

The cost of freedom is people using that freedom in ways you find distasteful. We are all better off with uncensored unaligned systems because it allows us the widest and freest expression.

Yep. No one should care what generative AI can produce, much as we shouldn't require airnail manufacturers to be responsible for how how people use or misuse their products. If DALL-E were used to make neo-Nazi posters or to promote an insurrection, the responsibility lies with the causive person(s), not with the tools they happened to use, i.e., their internet provider, Adobe Photoshop, or OpenAI. Even in the extreme cases of generative deepfake porn of real people for profit or generative child-abuse, criminal and civil responsibility lies with the human(s) who orchestrated it.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by maxerickson »

chmod775 wrote: post #33
krapp wrote: post #26

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Also known as Popehat's Law of Goats: He who fucks goats, either as part of a performance or to troll those he deems has overly delicate sensibilities is simply, a goatfucker. If your goal is to be seen as a racist, and to provoke a response from people who are offended by racists, and you do all of the things that racists do to that end, spending time on racist forums spreading racist memes and hate speech, then the…

Meh, be racist in an on-the-nose and obviously dumb way, like 4chan is doing here (whether intentional or not), and you get the opposite result: You make racists look bad. In the end some will think it's satire, some won't but will still laugh because it's stupid, and some will get mad. Actual racists lost, 4chan got a laugh, and outrage culture got played again.

The people that act like goat fuckers look bad because they are goat fuckers...other goat fuckers also look like goat fuckers.

And then fucking a goat ironically looks an awful lot like fucking a goat.

Re: 4chan users manipulate AI tools to unleash torrent of racist images

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Post by throwawa14223 »

oldbbsnickname wrote: post #47
throwawa14223 wrote: post #40

The cost of freedom is people using that freedom in ways you find distasteful. We are all better off with uncensored unaligned systems because it allows us the widest and freest expression.

Yep. No one should care what generative AI can produce, much as we shouldn't require airnail manufacturers to be responsible for how how people use or misuse their products. If DALL-E were used to make neo-Nazi posters or to promote an insurrection, the responsibility lies with the causive person(s), not with the tools they happened to use, i.e., their internet provider, Adobe Photoshop, or OpenAI. Even in the extrem…

Exactly!
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