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Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by coder543 »

Retric wrote: post #26
Tepix wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays there are inkjet printers that are cheaper (cost per page) than laser printers. I would only get one if i were to print regularly, however. And never again HP of course.

Examples? My research showed some inexpensive inkjets had reasonable cost per pages, but when you’re talking 10+k pages per month lasers easily win. They also win at the ultra low, 1 page per month side of things.

I haven’t done the math to see if they’re right, but they’re likely talking about the various ink tank printers that exist, such as the Epson EcoTank series. Refilling the ink is supposed to be quite cheap, especially if you don’t care about the ink being name brand.

Personally, I print like 5 pages a year, so unless I get into photo printing… the cheapest AirPrint-enabled Brother laser printer has served me well for like the last 5 years.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

> What are people intentionally printing to paper for, often enough that it's worth having a printer?

For me personally, sometimes I think better when I have paper than with a computer or tablet. If the limiting agent is my thinking, then I'm better off with paper.

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Post by userbinator »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

Parts and consumables are still available for the LaserJet 4.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by PopePompus »

sneak wrote: post #50
PopePompus wrote: post #27

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There is no sadder story in American capitalism than the decline of HP from a wonderful equipment engineering company to a racket for selling tiny little tubs of overpriced ink. Think a young Steve Jobs would be excited to get a job there now?

Boeing, perhaps. The same thing happened there, as I understand it. There’s also a strong argument for post-Jobs Apple being an even more tragic arc (that’s earlier on the curve). Time will tell. These things happen on the order of decades, not years. Brain drain is real.

Good point! At least the sad husk of HP isn't killing people.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by gruez »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #51
gruez wrote: post #18

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AFAIK they offered monthly, yearly, and "unlimited" subscription. In that case what's the issue? Heated seats are frequently an upgrade option. What's the problem with offering payments as an option?

Well, let's use our imagination for a minute and consider why they'd be happy to sell and "unlimited subscription", but not a subscriptionless, permanent feature. Or rather than imagination, simply draw on experience with other companies and ither subscription models.

I'm not going to do the work of coming up with arguments for you. Stop beating around the bush and write out what you meant.

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Post by peterleiser »

esel2k wrote: post #8
bgirard wrote: post #4

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I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

I bought a new Brother HL-L8360CDWT color laser printer in September 2017 for $349.99 and it still works great after 6 years of heavy use. I am extremely impressed with this printer. I used to run it with cheap 3rd party cartridges, which worked fine, but this year I finally had to break down and buy official ones.

I also have a Canon MF6160dw black and white laser printer, scanner, copier, fax that is a bit older and it's had even more use. It's great, and I use it to scan to my Synology NAS all the time as well.

I'm very, very happy with these two printers.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by ph4te »

esel2k wrote: post #8
bgirard wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

I’ve only have two printers in the past 13 years, a Brother MFC-7840w, which worked perfectly and I only gave away because my family wanted a color printer. The upgrade was an HL-2170CDW. I have no complaints with either. I’ve even gone through my starter toners on the color laser and bought a knockoff set for 70$ which included two black toners with all the colors, and have been quite surprised at the quality. Both have had wireless support and print from phones without issues.

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Post by civilitty »

ph4te wrote: post #77
esel2k wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

I’ve only have two printers in the past 13 years, a Brother MFC-7840w, which worked perfectly and I only gave away because my family wanted a color printer. The upgrade was an HL-2170CDW. I have no complaints with either. I’ve even gone through my starter toners on the color laser and bought a knockoff set for 70$ which included two black toners with all the colors, and have been quite surprised at the quality. Both…

> HL-2170CDW

I can vouch for the HL-2170DW (B&W only version) as well. Costco has been selling it for years.

The only downside is that it takes some trial and error to figure out which instructions actually reset the cartridge EEPROMs

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Post by mr_toad »

Macha wrote: post #57
smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

1. Shipping labels 2. Boarding passes (yes, I suppose I could pay the airline $30 for the privilege, but it doesn't take _that_ many flights to break even on a basic laser printer. I could also use mobile passes, but airlines are sometimes weird in not supporting those for specific flight/booking combination, and they need power).

Many people are using mobile/digital boarding passes these days.

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Post by throw9away6 »

leetrout wrote: post #59
esel2k wrote: post #8

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Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

I will never buy another Brother device. In rural areas you cannot find a service center and they are not self serviceable. I paid $350 for a multifunction multicolor device like others are mentioning and it lasted 13-15 months before failing to power on and Brother refusing to help make it right. There was a rash of these models having this issue where it just bricks and wont turn back on so maybe they learned but t…

The price range here is in the toss it if it breaks category
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