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HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

I just installed a new NOS toner cartridge in a 20 year old HP 4050n. The big caveat with those is that the old cartridges have long been out of production and the dried up rubber seals on them crumble into bits after removing the OE sealing strip. You need to fill in the opening to prevent toner from vibrating out into the machine.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by smeej »

mattlondon wrote: post #47
smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

Many places still ask you to physically sign and then scan/post back things. E.g fill in a pdf with a computer then print and manually sign with a pen. It is not every day, but frequently enough that not having a printer is a pain.

I scanned a copy of my signature probably a decade ago and have yet to find anyone who can tell the difference between my adding that to a doc and sending it back, and actually printing, signing, and scanning it back.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by smeej »

Macha wrote: post #57
smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

1. Shipping labels 2. Boarding passes (yes, I suppose I could pay the airline $30 for the privilege, but it doesn't take _that_ many flights to break even on a basic laser printer. I could also use mobile passes, but airlines are sometimes weird in not supporting those for specific flight/booking combination, and they need power).

Which airlines charge to print a boarding pass at the airport? I haven't ever encountered this charge, but maybe it's a regional thing? I've ways been able to walk up to the self-serve kiosk, enter a few details, and print the thing right off.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by addaon »

tivert wrote: post #13
esel2k wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

> Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future. I have a brother HL-2270dw that I've been using for more than 10 years that I'm happy with. I don't think they make that exact model anymore, but Wirecutter recommends the HL-2350dw (I don't know what you get for the extra $10 to get a HL-2370…

HL-L2350DW checking in here. Zero complaints, zero issues. Just works.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by Macha »

smeej wrote: post #63
Macha wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Shipping labels 2. Boarding passes (yes, I suppose I could pay the airline $30 for the privilege, but it doesn't take _that_ many flights to break even on a basic laser printer. I could also use mobile passes, but airlines are sometimes weird in not supporting those for specific flight/booking combination, and they need power).

Which airlines charge to print a boarding pass at the airport? I haven't ever encountered this charge, but maybe it's a regional thing? I've ways been able to walk up to the self-serve kiosk, enter a few details, and print the thing right off.

The largest european airline does: https://help.ryanair.com/hc/en-us/categories/12488813755537-...?

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by Lucasoato »

In my case, after one year and an half my HP printer auto-updated (without my consent) and bricked because I was using the ink from a different brand. This happened even if I didn’t subscribe to their shitty Hp instant ink offer.

I’ve immediately returned it, bought a Brother printer and I will avoid any HP product for the rest of my life.

I’m genuinely worried that companies will just perpetually try to get into dark patterns, until laws will be powerless against them. People should spend years in jail for coming up with ideas like these…

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by dsr_ »

mattlondon wrote: post #47
smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

Many places still ask you to physically sign and then scan/post back things. E.g fill in a pdf with a computer then print and manually sign with a pen. It is not every day, but frequently enough that not having a printer is a pain.

Write your signature. Scan it in. Apply it to documents that want signatures.

To some people, this doesn't "feel right" the same way that it doesn't "feel right" that I have rolling star-base office chairs around my dining room table. They are far more comfortable than any "dining room chair" I've ever been in.

In both cases, when people don't take my good advice, I shrug and move on.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Lucasoato wrote: post #66

In my case, after one year and an half my HP printer auto-updated (without my consent) and bricked because I was using the ink from a different brand. This happened even if I didn’t subscribe to their shitty Hp instant ink offer. I’ve immediately returned it, bought a Brother printer and I will avoid any HP product for the rest of my life. I’m genuinely worried that companies will just perpetually try to get into dar…

How'd you get the return accepted after a year and a half? That's pretty impressive service.

People should spend years in jail for coming up with ideas like these…

+1 for sure on that. It'll never happen, though. We wouldn't want to pass laws to interfere with "innovation."

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by AmericanChopper »

smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

> What are people intentionally printing to paper for, often enough that it's worth having a printer?

Shipping labels, government processes that require hard copies, and legal documents that require real signatures rather than electronically signed ones.

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