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HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

gruez wrote: post #18
Simulacra wrote: post #7

It's like Mercedes trying to charge a monthly subscription fee for heated seats. When you do something like this to consumers, you lose their trust and you will never gain it back.

AFAIK they offered monthly, yearly, and "unlimited" subscription. In that case what's the issue? Heated seats are frequently an upgrade option. What's the problem with offering payments as an option?

Well, let's use our imagination for a minute and consider why they'd be happy to sell and "unlimited subscription", but not a subscriptionless, permanent feature.

Or rather than imagination, simply draw on experience with other companies and ither subscription models.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by yieldcrv »

sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

yeah same, I ditched inkjets for a canon laserjet

you just have to value your time and then it all makes sense

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by sundvor »

tivert wrote: post #13
esel2k wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

> Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future. I have a brother HL-2270dw that I've been using for more than 10 years that I'm happy with. I don't think they make that exact model anymore, but Wirecutter recommends the HL-2350dw (I don't know what you get for the extra $10 to get a HL-2370…

Can confirm the Brother series is great. I have the HL-L2375DW.

I got accused of being a shill last time I posted about it, so I'm preempting this by calling it out. :-)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37006705#37007593

However it just sits there asleep at an extremely low wattage most of the time, then pops instantly to life the moment a page is sent to it - as bgirard pointed out, without even needing to install a driver - and then back to sleep. And this is on wifi.

Loved it enough to buy another one when the first one went to my ex.

I'll use the full duplex occasionally, it's worth having years down the track from purchase time for the tiny price bump over the base.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

djaychela wrote: post #25
sacnoradhq wrote: post #2

Even if you only print things once a month, a laser printer is far less wasteful in time, money, and bullshit than ink that's perpetually dry or consumed. Rather than an entry-level laser printer that cannot be economically repaired, a used mid-level enterprise printer is often the cheapest option long term and saves useful electronics from becoming e-waste. Office furniture rental/repo places and secondary markets l…

Absolutely. I have a laserjet 4000 I've had since I was given it in 2002 at an office clearance. It's printed about 10000 pages while I've had it,and in that time I've had to change the toner once. And I was given two original HP cartridges with the printer,and installed the first one a full 17 years after getting it. Worked perfectly,and is still in there. Works with windows, mac os, chromebooks without issue, all o…

HP laser keys are still difficult to replace the transfer belt.

Go brother if you want a laser. All the consumables are easily replaceable.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by cptskippy »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #54
djaychela wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. I have a laserjet 4000 I've had since I was given it in 2002 at an office clearance. It's printed about 10000 pages while I've had it,and in that time I've had to change the toner once. And I was given two original HP cartridges with the printer,and installed the first one a full 17 years after getting it. Worked perfectly,and is still in there. Works with windows, mac os, chromebooks without issue, all o…

HP laser keys are still difficult to replace the transfer belt. Go brother if you want a laser. All the consumables are easily replaceable.

There's no belt in a Laser Jet, at least not modern ones.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by Macha »

whartung wrote: post #14

I don't have a laser simply because I haven't seen an "all in one" full color laser that's as compact as the Epson inkjet I'm using. I can't speak to the color quality of lasers really vs inkjet, but I've printed a bunch of photos that come out "good enough" on photo paper with my printer. Mind, if we need any volume, we ship 'em off to the drugstore, but that can actually be a bit of pot luck when it comes to framin…

You probably won't find one as compact, colour laser printers are basically 4 monochrome laser printers in a row with different colour toners loaded, the process doesn't lead itself to having small toner catridges on a moving head like how inkjet work. This is a plus and a minus. The minus you've found, they're pretty bulky, but reducing moving parts also has pluses for durability and lifespan.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by Macha »

smeej wrote: post #42

I'm surprised how many people are writing about their solutions for printing. I thought by now most people had done what I've done and just set things up not to need to print. Xournal allows me to fill out anything I could print from PDF with a stylus on my touch screen. If I want to read and highlight something, I convert it to PDF and read it in Logseq with the same stylus. I can highlight in four colors and it aut…

1. Shipping labels

2. Boarding passes (yes, I suppose I could pay the airline $30 for the privilege, but it doesn't take _that_ many flights to break even on a basic laser printer. I could also use mobile passes, but airlines are sometimes weird in not supporting those for specific flight/booking combination, and they need power).

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by subhro »

mattlondon wrote: post #32

Canon 100% does this on my printer/scanner if the ink dries up (long time without printing) or it thinks you have pirate ink. It throws up some error message that you can't clear until you put in new ink cartridges. This is very annoying as I scan frequently but very, very rarely print. I'd readily replace it but I cannot find a laser printer with duplex scanner with ADF that isn't obscenely expensive and/or huge.

Xerox C315?

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by leetrout »

esel2k wrote: post #8
bgirard wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

I will never buy another Brother device. In rural areas you cannot find a service center and they are not self serviceable.

I paid $350 for a multifunction multicolor device like others are mentioning and it lasted 13-15 months before failing to power on and Brother refusing to help make it right. There was a rash of these models having this issue where it just bricks and wont turn back on so maybe they learned but they lost all goodwill with me.

Happily printing on a Canon now.

Re: HP fails to derail claims that it bricks scanners on printers when ink runs low

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Post by mozman »

esel2k wrote: post #8
bgirard wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I followed this advice and it's been great. I have a $350 laser Brother printer, my iPhone can find the printer without fiddling with drivers, it wakes up, print, goes back to sleep. Works fine even if I go months without printing. After my last 'free ink forever' HP inkjet that never worked, a working printer is a blessing.

Which brother do you have / recommend? I have been quiet happy with my OKI but the phone connection is the only letdown so far and I might change for a brother in the future.

Brother 9130 is great
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