Yeah, it is funny how successful Linux became as a desktop while basically noone was paying attention. I just wish the keyboards were more developer friendly. Give me F keys!
settings => device => keyboard => treat top-row keys as function keys
ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
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Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
#62No. Chrome OS is an OS using the Linux kernel and a custom userland. Android is also not "Linux".
Chrome/Linux instead of GNU/Linux?
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
The kids can't code locally on a git repo on Chromebooks and run make; they don't even have a terminal. Googlers only code remotely on Chromebooks. The kids MUST be able to run `pytest arithmetic.ipynb` on whichever platform. (It was not appropriate for Google 2016-2020 (?) to decide that we should all accept WASM runtime vulnerabilities in sandboxed browser processes running as the same user instead of per-app SELin…
I'm still not understanding the criticism. You're saying it's bad that kids can't hack on their school-supplied/parent-managed computers. And... I think I agree, as far as it goes. But you're responding to a thread saying "Chromebooks are good for Developers", where's it's just not responsive. There's absolutely no reason schools or parents can't hand kids unmanaged/unrestricted Chromebooks; they just choose not to (…
>There’s no reason schools or parents can’t hand kids unmanaged/unrestricted Chromebooks
Holy cow. Are you serious? Kids break stuff for fun.
This is basically a “You’re holding it wrong” argument. Schools are gonna have heavily managed chromebooks, because it’s the reality on the ground that they can hardly afford anything, much less insane IT support for every student. Like, kids are going to actively sabotage the software on their school equipment if they can as a way to avoid doing schoolwork. This was common when I was in high school over a decade ago, they solved it with Deep Freeze software and extremely restrictive Microsoft policies.
Google is the one with a wealth of IT and developer talent, not school systems. They are making the product, not the schools. Devs have to come from somewhere, and going out a limb here, I don’t think smartphones (the other computer that [low income] students are likely to have access to) provide an on ramp for developers, so it would be good if these chromebooks did.
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
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Couldn't agree more. I recently bought a cheap $200 Chromebook and I have to say that it outperforms my high end Windows + WSL2 machine from work for programming related tasks. Linux just works without all the WSL issues, I can run Visual Studio Code, Docker and anything that I tried so far. It's actually a delight to work on. I can only imagine how much better yet it will be with a top tier Chromebook
I find this very hard to believe. There is no "$200 Chromebook" that will ever out-perform a "high-end" machine no matter if it's running Windows + WSL2 or not. So what are the specs of this "high-end" machine?
This is generally true if you include time spent rebooting and applying updates, and dismissing "knock, knock, it's Valentine's Day" notifications from windows, etc.
Depends on programming language. Not every compiler benefits linearly from 16 cores.
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
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#66Google put in a ton of work to make all the Linux and Android sandboxing while still being able to do file sharing into the sandboxes, Wayland GUI app bridging, usb pass-through, and a bunch of other stuff. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/HEAD/con... ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How much of that has been upstreamed? I dug around a little but could only find things on upstreaming kernel patches.
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
#67Google put in a ton of work to make all the Linux and Android sandboxing while still being able to do file sharing into the sandboxes, Wayland GUI app bridging, usb pass-through, and a bunch of other stuff. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/HEAD/con... ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
#68Google put in a ton of work to make all the Linux and Android sandboxing while still being able to do file sharing into the sandboxes, Wayland GUI app bridging, usb pass-through, and a bunch of other stuff. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/HEAD/con... ChromeOS got good and is wildly underrated for software development. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Just because it’s a Google product? They use it internally.
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
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You could say this about almost any Linux-based GUI-first system. Linux is a small part, and very important, of the Ubuntu ecosystem.
The GUIs running on top of a Linux kernel are written in C, C++, or another programming language. That's not Linux.
> That's not Linux
I don't think I said that it was :)
Re: ChromeOS is Linux with Google’s desktop environment
#70What happened to the Fuchsia project?