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Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by esalman »

baz00 wrote: post #119
bityard wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be a Thinkpad fanatic due to nice build quality and good Linux support. But in the past few years, I have taken to just buying Dell's midrange business laptops. The build quality can vary by model but they are cheaper, ubiquitous, have great support while in warranty, and Linux always runs just fine on them if you pay attention to the hardware you're buying.

Oh man fuck Dell. I get through one every 9 months at work. Absolutely the worst laptops I've ever used. Precision series.

Tell me about it. Our company was recently acquired and they are swapping out Thinkpad P1's with Dell precision. Protest was no use.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by jtwaleson »

JTbane wrote: post #111
autoexec wrote: post #60

Friendly reminder that Lenovo has repeatedly shipped laptops infested with malware and backdoors ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_in... ) sometimes doing so in exchange for money. They've also hidden malware in UEFI so that even reformatting your hard drive wouldn't help. In one case, after they were found out they first claimed "we have thoroughly investigated this technology and do not fi…

Also the build quality of Lenovo laptops have gone down so much it's appalling.

Disagree! I've been using Thinkpads since 2004 and was a bit obsessed with them around 2010 and almost had a museum with old machines I bought on eBay. I had two 701cs's butterfly models etc. Every model I've had was much better than the one before in almost every way. There's a lot of nostalgia with the older models, but man, compared to what we have today they were unusable and you would not carry something like that around! Super heavy, easily scratched rubber paint, bad plastic.

Now a lot of things I miss a lot. The modularity, latches, ThinkLight, the upside down Thinkpad logo on the outside shell (oriented correctly towards the user, not the other people in the room), 7 row keyboard, good Fn keys functionality like media keys. The T400 that I regularly stood on to impress people how sturdy it was. But all of these things cost a lot in terms of weight and size (except the logo which was just copying the change that Apple made).

Just so you know the context: these are the machines I used a lot. T42p, R60, T400, T440s, T470s, T495s, T14s Gen2 (current).

If you respect the sturdiness vs. form factor trade-off, I believe build quality has gone up with every machine I bought.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by valleyer »

happymellon wrote: post #86
imglorp wrote: post #70

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Would the UEFI malware affect a non-windows OS installed on that machine?

No, and that's due to 2 reasons. 1. The malware was a rootkit for Windows 2. Windows has an interesting "feature" that will blindly auto-install software that is embedded in a certain location in the BIOS. If a rootkit is placed there, Windows will always try and install it. It's bad for Lenovo, but it's also bad that Windows has this anti-feature.

Wow. Could you point us to more technical information about this "feature" of Windows? I'm hoping someone has reverse-engineered it somewhere, but I'm not finding anything with some brief Googling.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by baz00 »

RajT88 wrote: post #125
baz00 wrote: post #119

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Oh man fuck Dell. I get through one every 9 months at work. Absolutely the worst laptops I've ever used. Precision series.

What model? I've been pretty happy with Dell machines at work. Happy enough I bought an older model refurb for 200 dollars shipped, which fits the chargers and docks and such I had lying around from work. Model: Precision 7520 Cpu: i7-6820HQ Memory: 32gb Gpu: Nvidia Quadro M2200 4GB Storage: 500gb SSD Display: 15" 1080p Pretty good specs for the price. Serviceable for older/lower requirements games. Pretty bulky mach…

5550 - two complete thermal failures. 7670 has blown up two $400 docks, won't charge half the time, blue screens once a week, weighs a ton, gets hotter than satan's nuts.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by RajT88 »

baz00 wrote: post #135
RajT88 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What model? I've been pretty happy with Dell machines at work. Happy enough I bought an older model refurb for 200 dollars shipped, which fits the chargers and docks and such I had lying around from work. Model: Precision 7520 Cpu: i7-6820HQ Memory: 32gb Gpu: Nvidia Quadro M2200 4GB Storage: 500gb SSD Display: 15" 1080p Pretty good specs for the price. Serviceable for older/lower requirements games. Pretty bulky mach…

5550 - two complete thermal failures. 7670 has blown up two $400 docks, won't charge half the time, blue screens once a week, weighs a ton, gets hotter than satan's nuts.

Wild! I have not at all had any of those issues, and I've had at this point 9 different Dell machines for work or play in the last ~10 years, all laptops. I'm typing this on a Latitude 5421.

Granted - My work has been heavy on memory but light on CPU, so perhaps I'm not applying enough deadly heat.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by baz00 »

RajT88 wrote: post #136
baz00 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5550 - two complete thermal failures. 7670 has blown up two $400 docks, won't charge half the time, blue screens once a week, weighs a ton, gets hotter than satan's nuts.

Wild! I have not at all had any of those issues, and I've had at this point 9 different Dell machines for work or play in the last ~10 years, all laptops. I'm typing this on a Latitude 5421. Granted - My work has been heavy on memory but light on CPU, so perhaps I'm not applying enough deadly heat.

Do you live in the arctic circle?

TBF their monitors are good. I have two Dell P2723QE's and they are absolutely great.

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by BobaFloutist »

sokoloff wrote: post #56
miragecraft wrote: post #39

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I think when we generally talk about whether something is "repairable" we're referring to the ease of repair, which translate to the repair being affordable and makes economical sense so people actually do it vs buying a replacement.

Without any extraordinary effort and having only typical DIY skills, I have repaired a half-dozen of my family members' iPhones that people complain are "not repairable". To me, "repairable" means "capable of being repaired in a practical way". I'll also grant you the unstated "at a reasonable price", which for me, having a cheapskate nature, I've always found the repair parts (batteries, screens, and buttons) to be…

Ok how about this: "The company hasn't made any design choices with the express purpose of making repair more difficult."

Re: Lenovo PC boss: 4 in 5 of our devices will be repairable by 2025

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Post by gambiting »

baz00 wrote: post #119
bityard wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to be a Thinkpad fanatic due to nice build quality and good Linux support. But in the past few years, I have taken to just buying Dell's midrange business laptops. The build quality can vary by model but they are cheaper, ubiquitous, have great support while in warranty, and Linux always runs just fine on them if you pay attention to the hardware you're buying.

Oh man fuck Dell. I get through one every 9 months at work. Absolutely the worst laptops I've ever used. Precision series.

Same. I've got a work Precision 7670 in top spec, literally a £7000(!!!!!) machine, and it overheats within 5 seconds of being under load, the CPU hits 100C and throttles down hard. It's equipped with a 3080Ti but it's the same story - the GPU overheats and throttles down to 200MHz, so anything you play is just a stuttery mess. And it's not surprising - inside it there are 2 heat pipes going to two small fans with only one air outlet. Even my "gaming" MSI laptop with half the spec has much beefier cooling, it can run its 3070Ti under full load indefinitely. Not to mention their £400 thunderbolt docks that work maybe 50% of the time.
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