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September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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You can convince people, but you can’t do it with a simple online post. Proselytism covers a wide range of tactics that convince people to change deeply held beliefs independent of how accurate what you’re trying to convince them is. Science has a major advantage here because you can provide actual evidence, but you don’t need to limit yourself to using evidence alone. At the extreme end deprogramming the is often re…

You can get centrists over to your side, or people with loosely held beliefs. You aren't getting 99% of the extremists. Proselytization likely works most effectively on the above groups, and while it might be a big win to convert 1 X believer to a Y believer, you could probably just convert 10 non-believers into Y much more effectively. Deprogramming sounds exactly the opposite of 'empathy and patience'.

I bring this stuff up to promote empathy and patience.

Yelling at the uneducated may be enjoyable but it’s not effective. On the other hand understanding why people come to these conclusions can help you minimize the number of people coming to wildly incorrect conclusions. Because the issue isn’t just climate change alone, we also need to deal with antibiotic resistance, corruption, infectious diseases, and all the other complex problems faced by modern societies.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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You're probably right but I fear the end of that road is a completely "re-terraformed" Earth we create to adapt to support our industrial society.

So we take the notion of national parks to the extreme, and carve out parts of the planet dedicated to preservation, and dedicate other parts to supporting humans and their needs, and we learn the science we need to artificially protect against ecological collapse. Maybe the solution to our expanding technology is technological.

So because the fix is mildly inconvenient, better to just do nothing, keep making the problem worse, keep letting people die, and just hope that magic fixes everything?

Tech can't undo the physics of the greenhouse effect. You want a cooler earth, you have to reduce the radiation we receive or increase the radiation that leaves through the atmosphere. For hundreds of years we have been participating in a geoengineering experiment.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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It’s also uneducated to eliminate fossil fuels at the expense of all else. There is real impact to life by destroying economies[0]. This is not a one dimensional problem. 0 - https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

No one is demanding to get rid of "fossil fuels at the expense of all else". That's a bit of a straw man. We're far away from getting to the point where we've gotten rid of fossil fuels at the expense of everything else. We've not actually really started to get rid of fossil fuels, yet.

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Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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> Two main factors are at play in driving temperatures to such extremes: their inexorable increase from burning fossil fuels and an El Niño event that is shaping up to be a strong one. It would be quite educational to attribute in more detail the impact of these two factors. The degree of "El Nino" influence is presumably known, and if its strength is not related with global warming in complicated and unknown ways it…

Analysis done back in 2016, back when 2015 shattered records due to El Nino (and completely shattered the argument around a "pause" in global warming due to the El Nino spike back in 1998): https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/01/27/el-nino-and-the-2015... https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/01/29/correcting-for-more-...

Seems wortwhile to update this. Maybe even have a running calculation that is updated on each data release? It provides an intersting context for understanding monthly and annual temperature anomalies.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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A billion people in India could die and US elections would still be determined by gas prices.

But what would India do? It might be something hard to ignore.

India will attempt to geoengineer the sky way before that happens, international pleading or possible other dire consequences be damned.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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Young men have a genetic proclivity for getting their asses handed to them in war. It's surprisingly easy to order men to their deaths when they're convinced it's to protect their tribe from some other tribal threat. We've been doing it for longer than we've been human. Nothing in our evolutionary history has prepared us for climate change. We have more trivial things to worry about.

That's the thing. No one can actually comprehend such things like geopolicits, global/national economy, climate change etc. The world is too big for our brains to understand.

People by and large understand and ask for and vote for solutions to this.

The various comments here blaming "people" are a mix of victim blaming and cover-up for the well organized forces that have held the democratic will back for decades and despite (or because of?) this, the agents of this tragedy are very popular around these parts.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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So… Why is there a climate scientist working for a payments processor?

I'm not sure about Stripe in particular but many financial institutions are tracking the top 10 global risks published by the World Economic Forum. The number one 10 year risk is "Failure to mitigate climate change". In total 6 of the top 10 are directly related to climate change and 3 are indirectly related e.g "Large scale involuntary migration" and "Erosion of social cohesion"

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Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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> We could easily cut our use of fossil fuels if we weren't trying to balance that with an arbitrary GDP growth target. We could stop incentivizing people and companies to consume disposable products. We could stop subsidizing massive industrial farms and instead focus on eating locally and growing some of your own food. Then it's the small task of changing the economic model of the entire developed (and less develop…

The economic model is going to change one way or another. A model designed around perpetual growth will always fail, and there are already plenty of cracks showing. A major economic change sounds impossible, but we've done it in the US at least three times in the last century.

> A major economic change sounds impossible, but we've done it in the US at least three times in the last century.

No.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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It's got nothing to do with imagination or ideology and everything to do with the material reality that the the most powerful forces that the world has ever seen will crush you if you try to change the existing system.

Sure, but that just sounds like you're agreeing with qubex? Not sure if there's something I'm missing here, but I don't see a contradiction between "the most powerful forces the world has ever seen will crush you if you change the current system" and "it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of Capitalism." It sounds like you're both saying the same thing. Again, I think it's reasonable to ask whether…

Maybe I read too much into “imagine”.

Re: September was the most anomalously hot month ever

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It’s not an observation about communism-vs-capitalism (or at least that’s not how I understand it): it’s about how we’re collectively as a society so fixated upon the inevitability of property rights and capitalism and return on investment and the primacy of profit that we cannot contemplate that we may need to abandon all these precepts in order to avert climatic disaster (or some other existential threat).

What exactly are you proposing as an alternative? So far everything else that we have tried has quickly devolved into famine and genocide.

Was the invasion of Vietnam by the US a genocide?
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